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What do countries' plans say about NPIs?

by: lugon

Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 04:14:21 AM EDT


You're only as protected as the country next door - whatever "next door" means in today's JIT economies and ease of travel.

Now, there's this simple (and not thoroughly updated) wikipage with the list of countries with links to their published plans.

So maybe we could add a column or two:
- plan's document last updated on this date,
- strategy regarding closing schools (there could be a code for "1%12W" meaning "if CFR = 1% then close schools 12 weeks", etc),
- # weeks of preps recommended (no comments on that, 2 weeks, more, etc),
- etc.
lugon :: What do countries' plans say about NPIs?
There's always time to add a column on antivirals (for 1, 5, 95% of the population). And of course a column with the population of the country (perhaps with a link to CIA FactBook or wikipedia), and a link to the country page in the wiki.

I can even imagine a reporter loading the wikipage in their spreadsheet and sorting countries according to some criteria, to see who's planing what.

We can dream. :-)

It could be as simple as updating the above page if folks are ready to lend a hand. A weekend project for a small party of people. If some countries are more difficult than others there's the possibility of looking at more populated countries first, etc. Wouldn't you be interested in adding the data for one country and looking at the whole lot in return?

Skills required:
- google for country plans,
- edit wikipage (simpler than html, and you can also report findings here and someone else will add that to the wikipage),
- minimal language skills (there are folks you can ask for help),
- maybe the social side of helping contributors,
- develop the code to make information compact but rapidly readable.

Thanks!
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This information could be invaluable
for media investigations and for our Wikians trying to convince their local authorities (or others) to take similar actions.

Perhaps we need to create the "checklist" first of NPI actions that could/ should/ will be considered / used.

In NZ, for example, the borders will close, schools, places of gathering and workplaces will close.  Quarantines will be imposed.  Local communities are establishing support networks.

Actually, must add, I was recently travelling about and noted that all the airport toilets had the Department of Health posters in about stopping the spread of influenza - personal hygeine reminders - magic!

Eat pudding first - who know's what might happen next! - Anon

Good idea
Logon

  Good idea on where the world stands.

  Maybe add two columns. Date NPI plan added & date the country was last checked. 

Hmm, could be quite a table.
  193 countries plus lots out lying terirories. ( source http://geography.abo.... )

Plus "Recognize that there are dozens of territories and colonies that are sometimes erroneously called "countries" but don't count at all - they're governed by other countries. Places commonly confused as being countries include Puerto Rico, Bermuda, Greenland, Palestine, Western Sahara, and even the components of the United Kingdom (such as Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and England - they're not fully independent countries, states, or nation-states)."

  Then you have seperate groups. Like in america there are many seperate Native American tribes and lands, Amish, etc. One Native American tribe now owns the world wide Hard Rock cafe chain - Seminole.
Source: http://www.theledger...

  Hopefuly the Shetlends, Azores, Orkny Ilse, Guam, etc will be spared.

  I like the idea because trade, food and fuel is soo very interconnected. No one is in this alone.

Kobie

good idea, but this weekend has passed ;-)
So now we need to start small and see how that table grows little by little.

Maybe the simplest way is to create another field/column and add all comments there.  Once we have lots of information we can create appropriate columns.

So, if someone can copy-paste the bits needed to create that extra column, that would be nice. :-)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

ok, that's done :-)
http://www.fluwikie....

Now, to keep it simple, I think we can print the whole page and then start the the initial of our username (I mean, just start anywhere) and look at some plan and add some content there.

See you next weekend!  (I'll be busy too.  Ah, well.)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
And what about neighboring states' plans?
And I presume that somewhere there is a resource (diary?) rating and ranking and analyzing state plans in the USA?
ok, start with neighbouring countries first, then - "be kind", as Melanie says


You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.
[ Parent ]
I am making my way through the FW table
and checking that the Plan links work (already found the Austria one is invalid) and adding anything else that may show NPIs.

I must apologise that I am not multilingual so I will "mark" those where links fail and ask that someone who is fluent in the language resolve any issues.

Hope this helps.

Eat pudding first - who know's what might happen next! - Anon

AnnieB, thanks - yes, that moves us forward!
In Australia, school closure is mentioned.  Also "Public communication about infection control and short term stockpiling of food and other supplies".  No mention (in this document) about how much or for how long.

It may not be too easy to look at all the plans, so maybe we should focus on a handful of them to begin with?  Which countries do folks here find most interesting?

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
Belgium
http://www.influenza...

"Worst case scenario: Duration of 59 days, where approximately 33% population become sick, of which 0.63% approximately dies ( 22.100 deaths)."

"The government will not be able to contain the pandemic. The government cannot control the situation all on its own."

No specific NPI measures that I can see.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

some are at FT
I just recently created a thread here about vaccine and antiviral stockpiles:
http://www.flutracke...

a wiki-page where anyone can contribute is better, but many people prefer to just post
replies to threads over editing wiki-pages

AnneZ had collected many national plans in subforums of:
http://www.flutracke...

someone copy or link them...

let's merge the birdflu forums

ask experts for their subjective
panflu death expectation values
and report the replies

thanks, but nothing about NPI :)


You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.
[ Parent ]
no, I haven't found any either. n/t




All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...
[ Parent ]
NPI
OK.

NPI = non pharmaceutical intervention
JIT = just in time
CFR = case fatality rate
PPE = personal protective equipment

something about NPIs should be in the plans

ask experts for their subjective
panflu death expectation values
and report the replies

[ Parent ]
A "short" list of NPIs we could search for?
I think we should note countries that:

  • Close borders
  • Isolate/quarantine communities
  • Close schools - before any are sick, with one confirmed case, when many sick/absent
  • Stop public gatherings
  • "grid" communities to enable assistance/support
  • Encourage/establish community support groups
  • Establish "field hospitals" (to isolate those who are sick from the hospital/community - providing minimum medical care)

Please add others as appropriate.

Now, to get a grid system to put this information in.  Do we want it on the main FluWiki site or in a Diary here?

Let me know which and I will put some effort into creating the grid and then people can add information as they check plans - they can add the country at the same time.

Plan of attack (yes I am a project manager!!!)

  1. Create complete list of criteria
  2. Decide where information will be held - Main FW or here
  3. Create the grid with a legend
  4. Have people start loading to it


    5. Eat pudding first - who know's what might happen next! - Anon
project management :-)
Ideally, we'd want very small steps that can be done in a very short time without waiting for others.  The first step I could find was to create the table on the wiki.  The first step that you (AnnieB) found was to link to many plans.

Now, if we want a hive of part-time individuals to cooperatively build this piece of cake (a bit like reverse-movie ants) we may want to have a variety of places to work at.

I think we could have some "first level responses" on this thread, one for each country that we're "attacking".  Under said entry, we can write our findings.  Once there are enough findings, someone goes and updates the wikipage.

How's that for a general plan?

Now, you ask about criteria, which we can obviously sort out "here" (on the forum), and which is the natural first step for us.  Then we can work on one or two countries and then the hive can follow?  Would that happen?  We can try.

My thinking about a huge table was along the lines of "coded tables", with a set of NPIs (variables or fields or columns) with posibilities (values for each variable/field/column).

If we could only look at school closure, that would be specific enough, and very important IMO.  Plus people can search for "school" in the PDF files.

If we want to look at NPIs in general, then there are two broad categories: "stay away from people if you don't mind" and "put something in between if you really have to be near them".  (It reminds me of the two approaches to STDs, grin.)  Something to add to http://www.fluwikie.... :-)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
some NPIs coded
Non Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPI):
  • Cases: isolation (ISO)
  • Contacts: quarantine (QUA)
  • All the other people
    • Distance (DIS)
      • Travel (TRA)
      • Schools (SCH)
      • Work (WRK): telework, etc
      • Community (CMN)

    • Cover sneeze and cough (COV)

These could be columns on the wikipage, or ways to tag our comments here.

In fact, maybe we could use this as our reference:

With some explanatory text below table 2 at http://www.pandemicf...

Maybe starting small is best?  Just "school" and for how long?

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

PI
why exclude pharmaceutical interventions ?

ask experts for their subjective
panflu death expectation values
and report the replies
[ Parent ]
not excluded, but
I'd like to focus this diary on NPIs:

- PIs are already on the table in many places (they are part of the "a pill for every ill", "we pay, you solve it for us" luxurious preparedness)
- PIs will be available in a handful of countries and, in some countries, for a handful of people
- NPIs will be used all over the place, no matter how much has been invested on PIs (or how much of it actually works)
- NPIs may be felt to contribute to disruption (SusanC has started exploring the trade-offs, and IMO NPIs disrupt less than an unmitigated pandemic) so they tend to get less attention

So for me it's focus, rather than exclusion.  I feel NPIs need some extra attention.

Of course the wikipage/table can be as wide as we manage it to be.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
Israel: one fact, no details:
....In case of a pandemic, the Ministry of Defense will oversee a national plan for the entire country....

http://www.ynetnews....

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

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