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Setting Up A Sick Room

by: cottontop

Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 21:33:55 PM EDT


This is a subject that needs to be discussed, not just for pandemic flu, but for epidemic flu as well. Imformation here can be applied to caring for a sick child/spouse, grandparents. To read her whole discussion of this:
Setting Up A Sick Room
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cottontop :: Setting Up A Sick Room
For setting up your sick room, I'll let the orginal author of this thread from ole yeller, the poster formerly known as anon_22, our own SusanC, guide you through this. I feel at this time of year, it is important to consider such a room, even for the sick child home from school. While you wouldn't go to this extreme for a child sick at home, you would want to consider how you would deal with the sick SIP/JAH. 

anon_22 - at 19:01
There doesn't seem to be a lot of discussion on preparing a room in case someone in your family comes down with the virus. Guidelines are available here http://www.fluwikie.... but please feel free to share your ideas or problems that you have encountered while planning this.

I have a room on top of the garage that has a separate entrance from the street. A flight of stairs from this entrance goes up to the landing where there is a bathroom (shower) immediately next to this bedroom. At the bottom of the stairs there is another door to the garage through which at the back you can exit to a small yard that is not part of the main garden. This whole setup is connected to the main house via a hallway and another door.

The reason why I explain all this is that I want to demonstrate how to design the space to create different levels of infection control, including a one-way system if someone is sick and a carer has to go in and out of the room and disinfect properly before returning to the main part of the house.

The carer goes in through the internal door from the main house, closes that door, and uses the hallway as changing area to put on whatever PPE needed. This may be some old clothes covered with apron, shower cap, gloves and mask. Also either disposable shoe covers or change into wellies (rubber boots).

For higher level of protection, I would use long-sleeve surgical gowns (these can be home-made) that tie at the back plus plastic apron. Use duct tape to seal the wrists of the gloves. Use two pairs of gloves if available.

It is important before entering the room to make sure that the other set of doors are closed ie at any point, there is at least one closed door between the patient area and the living quarters. If you don't have 2 sets of doors, use plastic sheets to create an additional barrier.
The room that I have is long and so it can be separated into two areas. The patient can sleep on a bed at the far end. This area is semi-partitioned with the use of plastic sheet/shower curtain. Behind this, next to the bed, you would need to put basins for disinfection and all the paraphernalia that one would normally need if someone is ill/bored.

The big challenge in this case is toilet facilities. Because the bathroom in this case is on the outside, I want to reserve that for cleaning/disinfection purposes. I tried to come up with different ideas to safely deal with waste, and the best so far is to get a chemical toilet from caravan companies. The neat(!) thing about this is that it has an enclosed compartment that receives waste. You can disconnect the lower portion as a fully enlosed container. If you put in disinfectant eg bleach ahead of time, then removing and disposing of that waste is not going to be hazardous.
The reason why it is better to partition the room, apart from the privacy issue, is that if the carer is to stay in for any length of time, any barrier would improve protection.

Any article/clothing from the room is to be disinfected with bleach. The easiest way for laundry is to get the biggest bucket you can find and fill it to half with diluted bleach. You can keep it just outside the room, in this case in the bathroom, so that the stuff goes straight in soon as you leave the room. That way, you are only handling contaminated laundry when still fully protected.

Before leaving the room, the carer should wash and disinfect the outer pair of gloves, remove and dispose of them, spray disinfectant on the inner gloves before opening the door. Once outside, close door immediately. Just outside the room, you can put a tray with a folded bath-towel or large cloth soaked with bleach. As the carer leaves, he should step on this and rub the bottom of the wellies vigorously. If using disposable shoe covers, step on the bleach, remove the covers and dispose of them.
Wash and disinfect remaining gloves. Take off apron and put immediately into wastebin, making sure that the bin closes completely. Take off gown and put into laundry bleach bucket. Wash and disinfect gloves again.

Now the carer is ready to leave. In this instance, he can exit through the garage door, making sure to touch only the door handles and nothing else. These can be disinfected later.
Walk through the garage and out the back. On the outside, prepare a shallow basin of bleach as footbath and plastic flip-flops (sandals). If wearing wellies, step into the basin and take off the wellies. Step out and put on flip-flops. Wash and disinfect gloves again. Take off glove, wash and disinfect hands.

Take off and dispose of mask and cap, taking care to not touch the outside of mask.
Wash and disinfect hands.

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I would encourage everyone
to read all that SusanC has to say on this. It's very informative. Every little bit helps in prepping. This diary is just to get you started. I wanted to put the whole thing but chose not too. There's that much good info from SusanC. It got me to thinking that precaution is our only measure of survival when it comes to keeping the other family member from becoming infected while there is a sick person in the house. And to protect yourself while caring for them.

Thanks to SusanC for this info.

And YES, the link does work!! Yeah!


United we stand: Divided we fall

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thank you, cottontop
for digging this up.  It's a little strange to read what I wrote a while back, but I do go back and read this stuff sometimes, to check whether there's anything that I need to change. 

Makes me think of the benefits of online forums and wikis, that often we may have good ideas that we only share in conversation with friends, but if we write it down and put it somewhere online like this, then others can use it and add to it, etc.



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


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Not just a sick room
but perhaps some "sick boxes" as well.  What I mean is that if you are living in relatively cramped quarters for whatever reason, having your sick room supplies all in clearly marked tub(s) will make it easier to convert a room, or area, quickly and effeciently compared if you are having to drag your supplies together from the four corners of your supplies.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

RE: Sick boxes
I have what I deem my sick box; that is a storage tub strictly for medical and medical related stuff. Even have a couple of boxes of baggies for ice packs, trash bags, paper towels, wash cloths, towels, a couple of old sheets, vaporizer, disposable gloves, masks. I'm trying to come up with a type of biohazard suit that doesn't scare the pants off the sick patient, but protects the person attending to the sick, and bottles water, as not to take away from the other stock. 

United we stand: Divided we fall

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RE: sick boxes; whole family sick
Kathy's comment(further down) about hanging a shower curtain between family members, is really a good thought. So probably should add some rope and sheets or some fabric to box, maybe clothes pins as well. People will definately have to have some seperation between them if there is two in a room, although I would only have two in a room. If children are sick, They would be better off in their rooms. If they share, seperate space by curtain. That way they can still talk to each other, and not feel alone. It would be my suggestion, that if one child started to develope complications, or a situation developed that might be disturbing,  the other child should be moved to another room, and that area disinfected. 

If I am sick along with my family, I plan to sleep on the couch, as I will be up and down quite a bit, and don't want to disturb DH, or DH disturbing me, for whatever reason, should I get some sleep. I've been there too many times, and the couch is the only place for me, as I go from bedroom to bedroom answering the calls of my very sick family, then taking care of myself. Boy it's miserable, but that's my calling. ;-)



United we stand: Divided we fall

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there are other diaries about same subject, i think
so we could look for them (search function and/or google "site:newfluwiki2.com sick-room"), tag them with "sick room" and link to them from here (and back, posibly)

if someone does that, i can lend a hand with wikification

and someone else can turn that into a pdf ... another "tool" from we da people

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


Make up information sheets
What do you think of this idea:
I am going to make and print out instruction sheets for each member of the family.  I am using the booklet on Good Home Treatment of Influenza by Dr.  Woodson.  I will put things like the recipe for oral rehydration formula, how much ibuprofen and tylenol they can have.  Signs of dehydration, how much fluids they should drink in a day. Tailored for each member of the family, since they are all different ages.  I am just thinking of a situation where there could be more than one person sick and I don't want to have to be flipping through a book or searching in a chart to see how much each person should have.  Also,  I might be sick too. There could be someone who doesn't know that you shouldn't give children aspirin for example, taking care of them.  I'm putting the sheets in a clear plastic cover, so it can be hung next to the bed. 

I will also print out instructions for ORS,  and sanitizing with bleach, and for sterilizing water (just in case) and tape those inside the cabinet doors in the kitchen.  Also the chart in the booklet about what foods to feed people with the flu.


Good idea! It's hard to concentrate when you're upset,
so doing the figuring ahead of time would help a lot, I think.  Making the important recipes easy to find for everyone sounds like a good precaution.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

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What about After?
Ok you have someone who has come down with the bird flu. 

They have been tested by the Public Health Authority and now they are in your hands to take care of.  So you do, after 14-30 days they are over the worst parts of the flu.  Now what happens?

-1- How long does the sick person(s) stay in the sick room?

-2- Will additional tests be done by the Public Health Authority to clear the person(s)? 

-3- How do you the "care giver" know when the sick
person(s) will not infect others?

-4- Can a newly discovered sick perso(s) be placed in the same room with someone else who is almost over the flu or must they be separated from each other?

All these questions need to be answered or you may end up with one sick room for each person in the house. Because the flu will not hit just one person at a time...

  No warning - no way to fight - no way to win!  
We need help in our local communities to survive. Remember that quote:    "...No man is an island..."


Possible answer to #4...
I seem to recall that if a person survives a bout with AF, they develop a bit of immunity to future infection from a like virus. Putting a newly infected person in the same room shouldn't pose a risk, unless the virus is virulent enough to be continually mutating and creating a new strain every few days...in that case, we may all be in deep doo-doo!!

[ Parent ]
the real risk
is that the 'newly infected' person turns out to be suffering from something else, and you are then inadvertently exposing him.  There is no way round that, except maybe to make sure that the person is very obviously ill eg with fever etc, and not just 'feeling lousy', and have other symptoms that are consistent with what is being observed with the diagnosed clinical cases at the time.



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
Quick Testing
Will the government come out with a "Test at home kit" so that  a SIP family can do self testing and not wait for the public health people to show up?

It seems that I watch the news and every couple of weeks we have a new test available for checking if some one has H5N1.

Any ideas?  Anyone....

  No warning - no way to fight - no way to win!  
We need help in our local communities to survive. Remember that quote:    "...No man is an island..."


[ Parent ]
not available yet
as far as I know.  There isn't any that is really good enough, both in specificity and sensitivity, to do the job.

But I do know that many companies are working on it.



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
Thanks Susan
Let us all know if it does!

  No warning - no way to fight - no way to win!  
We need help in our local communities to survive. Remember that quote:    "...No man is an island..."


[ Parent ]
DPH tested? I don't expect any Public Health authority to pay attention to me or DH.
If I thought DH had flu, I'd treat him.  If I wondered if he had flu and brought him to some health facility, but he didn't actually have it when I took him in, he or both of us could acquire it during the visit.  So, what's the point in going?  Unless he's one of the first 10 cases in town, what are the chances of finding care at a health facility?  The slogan for pandemic is "You're on your own," and I believe it.

About having more than one patient, good question.  It sounds like it's safer to keep them separated, if possible.  That means lots of changes of gloves, masks, and coveralls for the caretaker.  It's hard to imagine one room as a sick room, let alone 2.  More nitty-gritty work to do.

In Dr. Grattan Woodson's book, Bird Flu Manual, page 50, he says, "Once symptoms begin, adults remain contagious for about five days, but children and those with impaired immune systems often remain contagious for up to two weeks.  We really don't know if or for how long people who show only a few symptoms are contagious."

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor


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Family size and gregarious illnesses
I may be incorrect, but to me panflu has always seemed like a norovirus ... not technically but how quickly it spreads.

Now, I have a prime example of how quickly symptom onset of a norovirus is with regard to my own family .... day one morning toddler is cranky and not feeling well at all.  Day one afternoon, teenage son begins to feel unwell and throws up but feels better.  Day one evening, toddler is very sick, teenage son is again ill, elementary daughter is now quite ill.  Day one evening plus a few hours, add me to the mix.  Day one midnight, add husband to the mix.  Day two, teenage daughter becomes lethargic.  Day two evening, all of us feel like death served cold and the last to fall is my middle daughter.

That is seven of us down ill within 48 hours, with no warning.

Given the infectability of a panflu, wouldn't that be the same thing?

If one falls, following quickly by another you can pretty much believe that it is the same illness.

Why it would take days between symptom onsets with a panflu?  The only thing I could think of is if you are able to quarantine quickly enough ... but in a gregarious home such as ours you can pretty much expect that there has been some cross contamination at some point even with the best disinfection routines.  Are you going to have everyone in the family wearing gloves and masks at all times?  Eating alone?  For the duration of a pandemic?  Won't happen.  Not really feasible.

So, if one person in the family gets it, if someone else in the house gets sick, the likelihood is that its the same thing.  If this is a family situation.

Its different if you are talking office workers or separate households involved.  But same household?  I'd just treat them as if they are infected and do whatever I have to .... even if I only have a shower curtain to hang between pallets.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead


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