Egypt - Jan. 4-8 2008

Egypt

(I am at a disadvantage here, as I am unable to access the old Egypt thread.  So, don't know if these are repeats or not)
1-4-08 http://birdflu.sis.gov.eg/ahtm...

Continuation of preventive measures against bird flu in the provinces
To reduce the risk of avian influenza was decided to increase the number of ambushes on the entrances and exits provincial committees and increased traffic shops and introduced birds with the security services, where it met the supreme committee for avian influenza headed assistant interior minister for security Sohag and decides to start the third national campaign to combat the bird flu as of Saturday January 12 current immunization hatcheries Omar day review immunization, which took place in the second phase of the national campaign to combat the disease in the middle of last month, said Chairman of the Chamber of Control Directorate of Veterinary Medicine had been vaccinated 5 million bird flu influenza vaccine.

On the other hand, Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health in Ismailia that the analyses conducted central labs of the Ministry of Health for both me Mr. Muhammad (25 years old) of Ezbet pond and peaceful Mohammed Hussein (45 years old) of Abu Sawyer proved free of Avian influenza illness.

On the other hand, detained Hospital Dietetic Qena in the 3 / 1 / 2008 girl called Jasmine Khaled Adli (half a year) and homemaker claims Q. Mustafa Hussein 24 years on suspicion of injured bird flu. Aientema were sent to labs Central Cairo and the Directorate of Veterinary Medicine clearing houses and vaccinated birds region

In the province of Suez stressed Major General Jalal Uddin governor Suez members of the Executive Board of Suez governorate instructions on the need to adhere to the Supreme Committee for bird flu prevention shops selling live birds or circulation biomass residential neighborhood except Ganain rural sector and not to enter any of the entrances of birds through the Suez and Cairo-Ismailia only after the veterinary supervision, validation, as well as clearing birds at the slaughterhouse before they slaughter.

In the province of the lake has been booking 5 people who maintain the lake including two children inside the hospital dietary Bdinmhor and Alexandria and Kafr El-Sheikh on suspicion of illness bird flu first case of the child Reza Ibrahim Ibrahim, who is 10 years Bhmyat Damanhour where developed symptoms of the disease and because of acquired Bird by his mother, the education top of the roof of her home La limits weakness Hamada was turned into salt Damanhour reiterates the onset of symptoms to another woman and her daughter, 6 months and Alltain adjoining village Smjarat Barahmanih was transferred to the virus in the village of Kafr Sheikh Abu poultry Matamir been converted from two others Blue Dawar village branch to the pathogenesis of Alexandria on suspicion of injured bird flu.
In Tanta According to the results of tests conducted central labs of the Ministry of Health in Cairo negative 6 cases of avian influenza who were detained Hospital dietary and free of the disease after having been detained for several days in an area dedicated to deal with suspected cases and give them doses of the drug Altamflo....

In the province of East revealed the results of the analysis conducted for the child Hisham Salah Tawfik 4 years from the village of Abu Hammad Alhanis Center for Disease integrity of bird flu has left the hospital dietary after the child got
4 / 1 / 2008 4 1 2008
 

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by: pugmom @ Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 20:20:30 PM CST

Thanks, pugmom!

These suspected cases and the negatives have been added to the list.

:-)

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 01:15:12 AM CST

[ Parent ]

Possibly another positive out of Damietta?

(Blurb out of Moheet, unsure of date)
http://us.moheet.com/show_file...

..... Amr said Qandil Director of the Department of Infectious Diseases, Ministry of Health: "There were two cases, in the province of Damietta first, and second in the province of Menoufiya, laboratory results confirmed today they reportedly avian influenza."

He added that Qandil LIFT number of new cases of human bird flu infections in Egypt to 41.  

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by: pugmom @ Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 20:36:17 PM CST

Egypt and Pig Pens

1-5-08 http://www.alqabas.com.kw/Fina...

......The Ministry of Health in the follow-up pig pens after the arrival of warnings from the World Health Organization about the spread of swine flu virus.
Estimates indicate the presence of the pig pens with about 300 thousand pigs in the governorates of Cairo, Dakahliya, Assiut.
She warnings WHO that pigs can receive avian influenza and human influenza occurs between cohesion within pig viruses could result in the most serious virus is able to invade the human body easily.  

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by: pugmom @ Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 20:51:01 PM CST

WHO/FAO/Pigs/Warnings to Egypt

1-4-08 http://forum.egypt.com/arforum...

World Health Organization warned of the spread of swine flu virus in Egypt this winter, especially in light of raising more than 300 thousand pigs in various Egyptian governorates, including 60 thousand pig Qaliubia governorate alone and separated 52 thousand and 50 thousand and 45 thousand in Cairo in Assiut.

The FAO report that the pigs could receive avian influenza and human influenza, and that the virus could Pivoting up from pig to man and man to man.

He cautioned that the infected pig regular influenza and avian influenza infected birds, and then kind of synergy happens between viruses inside pigs could result in a new virus is able to move from human to human, and therefore arrived If avian influenza to pig farms, they turn into new factories for viruses modified.
The pork can play receptacle Carburetor rights of the two diseases and bird flu, which is the exchange of gene segments of nucleic acid private exchanges to be viral...

He noted that the cause of the spread of bird flu is that poultry kept with the pigs in China, and birds that live in places with the same milk and ate and hundreds of waste and faeces and saliva Paul pigs, and entered the waste to the installation of eggs produced by all these birds hit by the disease that has spread for the rest of the world....

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by: pugmom @ Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 21:07:19 PM CST

Niman's map of current cases in Egypt

http://tinyurl.com/2worsz

A friend sent me this: It may be the same as the niman map of cases posted on yesterday's egypt diary, but it looks more extensive. He said it shows 100 confirmed and/or suspect cases. Even if it is the same as the earlier, i thought it might be valuable to have on the new diary.

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 23:37:05 PM CST

Michelle you've got mail

I sent the spreadsheet as requested.

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 00:08:26 AM CST

EGYPT - "End of the truce between avian influenza and Egyptians"

"Man-on-the-street" interviews with people selling/concealing poultry.  Also, a bit about people smuggling poultry between governorates (usually during the night accd'g to the article).

Google-translated  from Arabic:

End of the truce between avian influenza and Egyptians
5/1/2008

Darren achieve Farghali, Maha Al-Bahnasawi Wahba Abdel Hamid on Zalat - Hisham Allam

Despite all the warnings by experts from the return of bird flu in Egypt, last week witnessed the largest number of casualties with the beginning of the third winter of endemic in Egypt:  4 Ladies Bsitat Varguen life, and the incidence reached the 44 cases died, including 19.

With hospitals receiving dietary Abbasiyah in the governorates and dozens of suspected infected every day .. the return of bird flu in a ferocious not represent a surprise in itself, because the virus already endemic in Egypt, but statements Amin Abaza, and Minister of Agriculture, which acknowledged the ministry's inaction during the summer months in the virus was the real surprise.

With the onset of winter, returned to the danger threatening the wealth estimated at 17 billion pounds, where 5 million citizens. . Claimed the disease kills First Bdjajat ordinary people and capital position, then I go to harvest laborers .. "Egypt today" [the newspaper] open the file of the return of bird flu, and monitor manifestations of smuggling and trading of live birds, and the absence of control on the market.

Sellers of live birds ignore government warnings and say: "for Oukadna at home .. Imotwa our children from hunger."

In the market Thursday - months markets selling live birds Afterc sellers Chicks and ducks and geese and their Aagafasm sidewalks market, and all of them took place in indifferent warnings [from the Dept of] Health considered by most a mere rumours. The others did not find a source of income other than the sale of these birds living within the market, to spend on their families, which will collapse - as saying if the government decided to declare war on them.

"We constituency with the Chicks and Hsalc us anything" .. This is what Abu Mohamed - chicks popular seller in the market Thursday - as he sleeps with land and municipal Balafrak cage full of living brought him to the market, cage Chicks, which places him directly Abu Mohammed is the source of livelihood of which spent six sons and that the sale is the Chicks The only thing we inherited from the father.

Abu Mohammed says: "I bought one of the Chicks small traders in Banha, after giving me the delivery of the secretariat to do I make value after the sale, but Maxbi in one cage no more than 20 pounds, and our profession is now 'profession risks', we exposed from time to time for inspection campaigns carried out by the Government, which always results in either imprisonment or confiscation Chicks."

Fifty years did not prevent them from carrying cage Chicks over her head for moving between different markets, but today in the market Thursday was sitting in the place in which it is used and put black scarf over the cage Chicks anticipation of the passage of men inspections, hours of terror or spend Khaled was sitting on one of sidewalks call vote, which forced many of the appeal

Saying:  "My sweet chicks and breeding Betty" dismayed, right and left for fear that surprises them confiscated Chicks hiding inside the cage to govern so to death a family of 7 members, is the sole breadwinner, especially after her husband suffered stroke in his barred him from working, says Or Jack:  "Chicks Mandhash flu and I do not know the government work us like LES."

Umm Khalid cage next to sit or good to the cage full of Etakit small, it may not exceed the gain or good husband in one of those chicks "quarter pounds", but in spite of that insists every morning to go to a market stretched to the ground in front of the cage and wait until begins its customers, who are accustomed to it, in the coming one after the other, say, or good:  "case and stand days States and Zubain not like I", although this did not lose my client who, quite trust me,

But I put my hand on my heart, for fear that someone takes chicks, especially I help my husband who works in a factory cloth on the living conditions of Fratbh DD 300 pounds per month, and this sum of the seven Ajkovina and our children. Or add a good saying: "if the government do not work closely Amanana Tcolna any work for if we fail in the House Hnmut us and our children from hunger."

"No need called bird flu, the government Give us Ptharbena in eating our livelihood" .. Thus began Abu Mahmoud - chicken seller - modern When asked him about the fear of bird flu, saying:  "twenty years ago and I chicks seller, I am the education on the roof of my house.

Thank God my health, like Jasmine, did not accept while anything which claimed the government, and is also known that the government Ptharbena in our livelihood, although we heard about bird flu since 6 years; did not stop for one day from breeding birds which is the only source of our livelihood, but what is impressed by the customer I let him come Bejav market all heard about new infections."

"If the disease is already likely to my children and I years ago" .. This is confirmed Umm Ahmed One vendors Chicks and ducks market Thursday sitting in front of a cage of chicks and another for Ducklings, where she said: "I live in a simple room my husband and I and my children four, along with some birds that I Nstrozk the education and either selling them or consume, even if bird flu already exist, for you are all birds that we share bed."

"Let in life want to eat live, so live off you, the reason why we got to theft and crime, because Pthrmona of halal job, you sure of the inspection" .. All of those expressions, accusations and sent us one of vendors Once we approach them, they cover cages Chicks Bmlabsaa, fearing the passage of the inspection commission, although our emphasis has several times we "not followed government" but they continued to scream saying "fear of God in us, Henrbi Aina Do."

Poultry producers admit lax in the fight against bird flu .. and the market is witnessing a war rumours after injury farms adult

Winter third of the bird flu in Egypt .. But hit a record in the number and Vyate .. one week claimed the lives of four women, and resumed activity after the deadly virus latency period during the summer as more innocent victims.

New bird flu problem this year is that the injuries were not limited to small producers, many of the big producers proved laboratory tests, virus infection their herds, and birds were secretly .. For their part poultry producers warned of the consequences of failure, which occurred during the last period in the action against the disease, which is recognized by Engineer Amin Abaza, and Minister of Agriculture, and at the same time does not infringe on the responsibility side of the default.

Recognizes Dr. Mohamed El-Shafei, Vice Chairman of the General Federation had been some abuses of educators "who conduct them in a non-disciplined" and at the same time emphasizing that the position is still under control despite the intensity of incidence in a large number of farms in the last period, the spread in geographic scope and scale.

Talk to former Vice President of the Russian reveals an aspect of war rumors, which started two weeks ago as the emergence of injuries in the farms and producers of older companies, which affects their reputations in the market.

These rumors did not avail Shafei, and also recognizes that the emergence of the disease in areas previously vaccinated should prompt the government to reconsider the circulation of vaccine, the method of immunization "because it is clear that some players were not fortifications [vaccinated]."

Despite this show Shafei some unease, and why - from his point of view - that, until this moment, did not prove that the virus may alter, and thus "she is surrounded illness became significant", if activation procedures and preventive precautions are not followed through summer period, and most important of preserving the distances between farms by 500 meters, and the circulation of vaccines properly ..

It also demands that the Vice President of the Federation of producers that govern state control over the purchase and handling of vaccines, and to pass legislation to ensure thorough supervision from the government to import bird flu vaccines, in order to ensure the efficiency of vaccines.

Mr. Dr. Abdel Aziz, Chief of the Division of poultry wealth Cairo Chamber of Commerce and the government refuses to hold sole responsibility for inaction that has occurred, and emphasizes the shared responsibility between the Ministry of Agriculture and producers from returning fierce avian influenza this year.

Abdul Aziz confirms that many small producers are conducting the necessary tests, and finds that they have three reasons pushing them to escape the periodic analysis in the central laboratories of Veterinary Medicine in Cairo, the first of the distance between the governorates-intensive production in the Delta and Port Said and Ismailia, and the factor analysis Cairo, which constitutes a burden on small producers in shouldering the expenses go to Cairo with each cycle of production testing,

The second reason that the cost analysis of up to 500 pounds per farm, and small producers can not afford the result is a direct flight from the analysis, and the last of these reasons is the high Asarvat with low selling prices, which threatens the exit of many small producers from the market.

Eng Mahmoud Anani, a senior poultry producers expected a marked improvement in the coming weeks in the fight against bird flu with the return of the seriousness of the farms and producers Iqbal fortifications necessary to conduct timely assessments.

And because of the high rate of injuries unmatched in the last period to complacency, which occurred after the good performance over the past year in dealing with the crisis, and shows "result of the case reassuring after the summer free of avian influenza infections, wavered this year many farms in immunization procedures, but with escalating crisis again returned commitment to each farm and became interested in immunization and safety vital."

Only the coming days will prove the validity of some optimism imminent decline of the third wave of avian influenza, or mortality rates continued to rise.

Smuggling of poultry are among the second five o'clock .. on the way for a parallel "Egypt - Alexandria agricultural"

The study by the Centre for Information and Decision Support, of the Council of Ministers that, despite the decline of bird flu since the beginning in 2007, the share of Egypt's total cases that occurred in the world this year of about 44%.

The study pointed out that the proportion of families nursemaid bird in rural Egypt about 86%, as these families depend entirely dependent on the purpose of breeding birds as a major source of self-consumption of animal protein and generate additional income, while the rich families, which is a small percentage of raising birds, and therefore the more affected by the bird flu are poor Egypt.

As for the economic damage the study says that the total birds have been culled injury is the result of 34.4 million birds, valued at about 977.3 million pounds.

The largest proportion of losses resulting from the executions of white chickens in the farms, homes and chicken fattening, and decreased exports of poultry from 41.7 million pounds in 2004 to 1.6 million pounds in 2006, a decline that reached about 96%

And poultry prices rose markedly but declined after the drop in the relatively disease, but again rise since January 2007 to date, with an average kilo grams of poultry 8 pounds in 2005 and increased to 12 pounds in 2006 and dropped to 10.5 in March 2007.

Since the emergence of the disease so far issued by the Minister of Agriculture 7 resolutions banning ban the transfer and sale of live birds between provincial and imported from abroad and prevent circulation in the market, and developed requirements and specifications of particular massacres.

As witnessed in 2007 the last draft republican decree on the regulation and sale of poultry, but that so far not shown legislation criminalizes the transfer and sale of live birds during the spread of the disease, which made plantation owners resort to various tricks to smuggle birds.

When I tried "Egypt Today" monitor these trips hidden, we discovered that it is always done at night, and should begin the journey after two o'clock and ending fifth before dawn, a period in which less "ambushes" [random checks or check points] agricultural traffic on the roads, either in the event of non-completion of the long distance flight The driver resort to a village until the following night comes another person in the car owners of limited quantities of fodder to feed poultry.

"Ambushes" traffic on the Cairo-Alexandria agricultural road drivers known to appear .. I at the entrance to the city "attach", and the second bridge before "Berkat", or after the end of a bridge "cows".  This, of course, coming to Cairo hand, so some drivers resort to the path parallel to the road agricultural begins with the city "Berkat" and ends after an ambush "attach"; To ensure "payload" be briefed "cages" poultry cell bee, or transfer cars "sand" large covered.

All these difficulties prices rose transport borne by the owners of the farms in an attempt to save what can be saved and exit less losses.

http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/...

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 04:55:26 AM CST

EGYPT - "Doubts about the validity of bird flu vaccines"

Google-translated from Arabic:

Doubts about the validity of bird flu vaccines .. The claims of the State of import monopoly

Wrote Mitwalli Salem 5/1/2008

Official sources revealed the Ministry of Agriculture and a number of experts expressed doubts about the validity of a large veterinary vaccines used for immunization of avian influenza in poultry farms, which are imported private companies, asking tighten control over the import procedures and handling of vaccines through immunization, the sources pointed to the involvement of many of these companies to import cheap veterinary vaccines not in conformity with the specifications.

He called Dr. Mohamed El-Shafei, Vice President of the Federation of poultry producers, the need for the State to import veterinary vaccines used in the fight against bird flu, rather than private companies currently.

She stressed that the high rates of infection in poultry farms in recent weeks, the supply of vaccines not match the terms of circulation, especially in light of the absence of state control on the circulation of vaccines in poultry farms, while proven vaccines imported by the State to immunize birds rural efficiency during the first national campaign to combat disease.

He told "Egyptian Today":  You must be a State is the only one in control of the circulation and import of all vaccines for diseases common between humans and animals, particularly with diseases such as epidemiological picture bird flu and fever, Rift Valley and elsewhere.

He pointed out that this system also includes supervision of the circulation of veterinary vaccines and serums and appropriate storage methods, stressing that the circulation of vaccines more important than the vaccine itself, in reference to the vaccine if it conforms to specifications, and was stored in a non-scientific cause very dangerous for human beings and animals and the environment, and contributes to the spread of disease, rather than control.

The President of the Federation of poultry producers on the importance of the obligation of the State, represented by its veterinary and other agencies concerned to check the incidence of disease and avian influenza birds, making sure the necessary cleansing action within the infected farm and the surrounding area before allowing these farms Exercise activity again.

For his part, Dr Sami expected Bisatti, President of the General Egyptian Zoology, to continue the spread of the virus in the coming months if the State fails to control the importation and circulation of vaccines and serums anti avian influenza, especially in light of the potential effectiveness of vaccines imported by private companies from abroad or However, reliable sources of quality in the production of vaccines for the disease.

He accused the National Committee to combat the disease not to set strict operational mechanisms to prevent the spread of the disease, stressing that the Commission were not a deterrent to violations and did not abide by the rules for handling live birds or bird immunization rural or poultry farms, which is reflected on the existence of dormant wells nationwide.

He stressed the necessity that all subject serums and vaccines that are imported from abroad, for the calibration of specialized laboratories, and the State intensifying control over all operations and immunization circulation both in the farms or in rural education.

http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/...

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 05:11:06 AM CST

EGYPT - Beefed up security in Menoufiya governorate

Google-translated from Arabic:

Hassan Hamida: ambushes of security at all ports Menoufiya to cope with the march of the virus .. And tighten procedures on farms

Wrote Mitwalli Salem 5/1/2008

The General Hassan Hamida "governor Menoufiya, a member of the Supreme Committee for the control of avian influenza" decides that the deployment of ambushes fixed and mobile [random checks/check points] various outlets maintain with the rest of the neighbouring provinces to meet the Marching bird flu, and to make sure permits transfer and circulation of live birds within Menoufiya and free of the disease.

He said Hamida, told "Egyptian Today" following the end of the Higher Committee meetings to combat the disease, which was held at the Ministry of Agriculture yesterday, it was decided to tighten procedures for veterinary poultry farms and rural education and to make sure immunizations for the various types of birds, pointing out that the formation of a technical committee to follow-up immunization these farms.

He added:  Decided to entrust the education of local citizens risk contact birds, in the interest of public health, through the passage of these devices to all the villages of the province to educate its population using loudspeakers, symptoms of the disease and the need for immediate reporting of any cases of suspected infection, and deal with all cases absolute transparency.

The governor of Menoufiya that will be periodic traffic to stores that sell live birds to ascertain the source, with the necessary sampling of birds of unknown origin that is seized to make sure that they are free from disease before slaughter Anflonzataior and poultry abattoir at the earliest, stressing the importance of coordination between the departments of agriculture and veterinary medicine and health and local authorities to take immediate action to contain the disease and curb.

He stressed that the mandate of the concerned departments to prepare a report on the situation of the disease and fight to take quick action to control it, pointing out that it had been decided to declare a state of emergency in various hospitals in the province to receive all cases of suspected infection and rapid transportation to hospitals and specialized pleased sampling and analysis to speed treatment and combating disease.

http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/...

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 05:24:18 AM CST

EGYPT - Quiet day

Don't seem to be many/any reports of suspected cases today -- but then Saturday in Egypt is like Sunday here. Day off for everybody. That's why the stories are pretty long today, too -- "Sunday paper" sort of reading.

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 05:32:49 AM CST

Egypt

1-5-08 http://news.filbalad.com/News....

.....In the same context, exited Friday Nora Anchorage Abbasid "22 years" from the hospital after chest recover from the disease, had been transferred to a hospital salt worries of the high temperature after birds purchased from a market surprised birds hours after death, then rose temperature has been transferred salt to the worries, and then to chest starts.  

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by: pugmom @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:20:07 AM CST

16 More out of Beni Suef, Sohag

1-5-08  http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/...

........In terms of the spread of the virus in Egypt detained Mschwia salt Beni Suef, Sohag yesterday, 16 cases were suspected of being infected with bird flu, including 9 women and girls and 6 children, was necessary sampling of suspected cases, and sent to the central Ministry of Health laboratories for analysis and make sure that the fact of HIV infection.  

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by: pugmom @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:40:57 AM CST

Egypt/Panic in the Provinces

1-5-08  http://massai.ahram.org.eg/Ind...

Panic in the provinces of bird flu

Campaigns to remove nests and culling of poultry infected  

A state of panic swept over the impact of the emergence of some governorates positive cases of avian influenza, as well as the emergence of many cases of suspected disease especially in the cities and villages of citizens prophylactically of birds and at a time when organized campaigns daily governorates of birds and live poultry infected with avian influenza sake of the health of citizens. The Ministry of Health warned citizens of the deal or live poultry because of the spread of the disease but the weak response of the citizens and adherence to poultry farming in the villages and cities nests led to a state of panic due to the appearance of a positive hit on the safety of citizens dismayed families.

 

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by: pugmom @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:45:56 AM CST

Can someone tell me

is the above list of cases pretty current?  Thanx Carol, T42, and others for creating and keeping it up.  I am using it to know what to post or not.

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by: pugmom @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:48:17 AM CST

The list at the top...

...is my list as of yesterday (Friday) afternoon after I had finished going through the papers.

There is a bunch of unnamed suspected cases from Sohag & Beni Suef from today that need to be added -- and Carol pointed out a couple of names I had missed.

If anyone else sees any errors, lemme know!  Thanks!

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 10:52:14 AM CST

[ Parent ]

More on Noura

1-5-08 http://www.moheet.com/show_new...

Cairo: Egyptian medical sources announced on healing Nura Mohammed Aboualabas Graduate Institute of Education quality brown, a situation which hit No. 41 avian influenza.

The researchers pointed out that Nora accustomed breeding birds at home, and she was preparing to take Tyoraa forward to the new marital home, but the chickens was avian influenza and tunnel, and when I felt Nora regular influenza symptoms, the possibility of her cherished concern avian influenza , and went immediately to a hospital salt worries on December 6 last, I told the doctors that they suffer symptoms of influenza, and had been kept birds and died, and therefore suspected of carrying bird flu, and immediately was taking action and examinations Medical, also received Nora real estate "Tamflo", which gives the best results if dealt with within 48 hours of the appearance of symptoms.

The results of the examination shows that the situation positively, according to the "Al-Ahram", and was transferred the next day to the hospital in Sadr Cairo, where received treatment that continues symptoms completely.  

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by: pugmom @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 10:57:25 AM CST

EGYPT - 2 new sus cases in Sohag / 1 sus case in Beheira (dupe?)

Here's a mention of 2 new suspected cases from Sohag.  Also, one from Beheira -- could be one of the unnamed ones from Beheira we heard about yesterday.  (Fourth story on page.)

Google-translated from Arabic:

3 goals avian influenza in the lake [Beheira] and Sohag
Jan 5, 2008

Three cases have been detained on suspicion of being infected with avian influenza and Sohag governorates of the lake [Beheira].

Karem Guentoc - lake [Beheira]:

Detained Hospital Dietetic Alexandria couple Mohamed Fathalla "50 years" homemaker Rashid on suspicion of the safety of avian influenza virus because Mkhalttha bird Bmenzlha.  After her sudden rise in temperature, red face and narrow throat.  Samples have been taken and bird contact, and sent to the central factor.

Sohag - Huda Hosni:

Two were detained Daryll disease avian influenza virus Hospital Sohag two Hanan Farouk Abodev 25 years of village children Aizaz, status Sohag, and Hanan Mohammed Khalaf 22 years from the village Aljbab, status surged .. Samples were taken from patients and sent to labs central Cairo.

The Commission to maintain the destruction of all birds in the homes of patients who developed by the cases.

http://www.algomhuria.net.eg/a... [<< not a permalink]

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 11:29:23 AM CST

In indo thread, new symptom is sore throat or laryngitis

The two brothers who worked in a restaurant and the tailor AT all had throat symptoms as an initial sign, and History Lover voiced concern that this was a new symptom to watch for, as it could indicate upper respiratory tract infection. Now I notice in this latest case in Egypt Mohamed Fathalla this sign

red face and narrow throat

With translations of course we can't be sure how similar these early "throat" symptoms are, but it does seem like something to keep an eye on.

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 17:32:34 PM CST

[ Parent ]

EGYPT - Attempt to smuggle bf infected, dead poultry into 'feed factory' foiled

Terrific.  Somebody trying to smuggle dead chickens into a feed factory (whatever that is) -- and the chickens turned out to have bf.  Thankfully these folks got caught.

Google-translated from Arabic:

Before smuggling to feed factory
Seizure of 4 thousands of dead chickens infected with avian influenza in Ismailia
Jan 5, 2007

Ismailia - Magdi soldier:

Been thwarted an attempt to smuggle four thousand chickens dead of a feed factories in Ismailia found to be infected with avian influenza disease.

The governor Ltd. Fakhrani has given directives control the entrances and exits to maintain control of the car and loaded fugitive quantities of live poultry infected with avian influenza.

Those campaigns resulted in the seizure of the car No. 55754 transfer Dakahlia governorate on board, about four thousand chickens were dead on the way to one of feed factories in Ismailia of recycling.

And to medically examine dead poultry by veterinary supervision of Dr Ismail Shmud director general of veterinary medicine show her avian influenza has been disposed of the quantity seized in a cemetery burials health compatible with the specifications and conditions of the environment and liberated the record No. 351 offences against the commander of the hill great car.

http://www.algomhuria.net.eg/a... [<< not a permalink]

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 11:46:59 AM CST

Why waste a perfectly good (dead) chicken?

As a westerner it is always rather jolting to read things about the various usages dead chickens are put to.

* Thrown in ponds, rivers, and lakes to feed the fish.

* Fed to pigs.

* And now, "recycled".  I admit, I'm scratching my head at that one.  Pet food?  People food?  Livestock feed?  None of them seem to be particularly benign.

As stated by T42: At least these were caught... but it begs the question: Are there others that haven't been caught?

We Won't Know Until We Know.

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by: SophiaZoe @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 11:55:15 AM CST

[ Parent ]

Recycled--Maybe used as fertilizer?

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 19:58:42 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Carol@SC

Hey Carol ~~waves~~  Low Country gal here!

Fertilizer?  I wouldn't think so.  The translation seems to point to "feed" or maybe "food".  And unless I'm ill-informed, fish is the about the only meat I've ever seen mentioned as having any sort of wide use as a fertilizer.  However, I admit, I'm not a farmer, not even an inept one! ;-)

Been thwarted an attempt to smuggle four thousand chickens dead of a feed factories in Ismailia found to be infected with avian influenza disease.

We Won't Know Until We Know.

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by: SophiaZoe @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:15:48 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Feed

It has become fairly common to make feed out of unwanted animal body parts or carcasses.  Ever heard of blood meal or bone meal?  Carcasses are rendered.

http://findarticles.com/p/arti...

http://www.csc-world.com/poult...

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by: Okieman @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:57:49 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Blood and Bone Meal

Sure, I've heard of them, even if I am not a farmer, inept or otherwise.  But, given my limited knowledge base in this area I have always assumed those were derived mostly from beef, or at most mammalian creatures.

I think of calcium when I think chicken, and that mostly a function of eggshells.

We Won't Know Until We Know.

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by: SophiaZoe @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:03:11 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Typically

Yes, blood and bone meal come from cattle usually.  I just used those for illustration.  From the links I posted it appears dead chickens are rendered into livestock feed (if they get to them fast enough).

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by: Okieman @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:38:32 PM CST

[ Parent ]

When they turn animal by products into food for other animals

do they cook or in any other way sterilize them in the processing?  Isn't the use of dead cattle parts as feed for other cattle the way mad cow disease is spread? This is a virus too, isn't it? Thus it would seem possible that this use of chickens who have died of bf as food for other animals (chickens, pigs, cattle or ??) is a GREAT way to spread the virus around.

I just have to shake my head.

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 17:36:58 PM CST

[ Parent ]

My understanding of mad cow is.....

Its a protein, not a virus.  Since I served in the military during the 80's in Europe, I am a supposed candidate for mad cow.  I am not allowed to give blood.  I didn't find this out until I tried to give blood.  The blood people gave me a pamphlet and explained told me that it was a protein and it was uncurable.  When I asked when I would know when I would be clear, I was told never.  Could pop up in 10 or 30+ years.

If what they told me was true, then a virus should be destroyed by the heat of steralization, but  protein would not.

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by: indypokerboy41 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 19:04:20 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Yes

Part of the rendering process is "cooking".

Mad Cow is caused by something called a "prion", which is made of protien.  Here is some info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...

(I wrote out a long explanation based upon my memory concerning the disease, but deleted it in favor of just referring you to the linked wikipedia article.  I was a dairy farmer in Oklahoma when this was in the news headlines, so I payed close attention to it.)  

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by: Okieman @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 21:06:47 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Oh..ok, well that's a relief! Thanks to you both for clarification. n/t

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:35:04 PM CST

[ Parent ]

SophiaZoe

Big wave back to you. I love that Low Country food! She Crab soup, boiled shrimp, chicken perlou....yummy.

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 23:20:36 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Egypt/no BF found in migratory birds

Go figure

1-5-08http://www.ertu.org/nile_chan/Details1.asp?Topic=161780&type=%20%20%20%20%20%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%20%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A9&te=90

George: 948 random sample of migratory birds

The results of random samples of migratory birds and land settlement by the sector natural reserves compiled by the Ministry of Environment of the country free of bird flu virus has not recorded any cases of unnatural deaths.

Eng Majed George Minister for the Environment that samples collected included a sample of 474 protected Zaranik Al and along the Egyptian coasts even protected Brigadier Bmatarouh and 266 samples from lakes textural entrance, Ismailia and 208 samples from different areas nationwide and in the framework of the active monitoring of migratory birds mixes wild birds. Because of the intensity of the settlement prepare swarms coming from northern Europe to Egypt, Which would reach its peak with the end of this month.
The minister added that the reserves took several actions to raise public awareness and reduce behaviors leading to the spread of the disease. With the onset of migration season 2007/2008 stage was organized seminars to educate included 30 colleges, institutes and universities Egyptian distribute 10 thousand booklet to raise awareness of the dangers of an avian influenza pandemic.

He explained that the sector involved in the various committees of the ministries and provinces prepare national plans to prepare for the epidemic.

 

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by: pugmom @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 12:02:44 PM CST

pugmom

Snap!  :-)

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 12:05:06 PM CST

[ Parent ]

:) n/t

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by: pugmom @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 12:48:57 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Theresa

What does 'snap' mean?  I see you and Susan C use it.  The slang use I know is kind of a benign expletive...like 'oh snap, the wind took my baseball cap!  And I was using it to hide my bald head!'

Meteorologist in Florida!?!  Now we're talkin'!!!

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by: Tempest @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 18:21:26 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Tempest

Snap is a (fantastically fun!) children's card game:

"Snap is a popular children's card game in which the object is to win all the cards.

In the game the entire pack of cards is dealt out among the players in face-down stacks as equally as possible. Play proceeds with the players taking it in turns to place a card from the top of their stack and placing it face-up in a central pile. If two cards placed consecutively on the pile are identical (or, if a conventional pack of cards is used, are of the same number) then the first player to shout "Snap!" and place his hand on the top of the central pile wins all the cards in the pile...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

:-D

I learned it from my cousins from the British Isles when I was a kid -- and I LOVED it!  :-)

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 03:43:10 AM CST

[ Parent ]

or if 2 people say the same things at the same time ;-) n/t

All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...

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by: SusanC @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 10:49:18 AM CST

[ Parent ]

EGYPT - "948 random sample of migratory birds free from 'influenza virus'"

Google-translated from Arabic:

George [Minister of Environment]: 948 random sample of migratory birds .. Free from "influenza virus"
Swarms [flocks] coming to Egypt culminating .. End of the month
Jan 5, 2008

Rauf wrote Fayed

The results of random samples of migratory birds and land settlement by the sector natural reserves compiled by the Ministry of Environment of the country free of bird flu virus has not recorded any cases of unnatural deaths.

Eng Majed George Minister for the Environment that samples collected included a sample of 474 protected Zaranik Al and along the Egyptian coasts even protected Brigadier Bmatarouh and 266 samples from lakes textural entrance, Ismailia and 208 samples from different areas nationwide and in the framework of the active monitoring of migratory birds mixes wild birds Because of the intensity of the settlement prepare swarms coming from northern Europe to Egypt ..  Which would reach its peak with the end of this month.

The minister added that the reserves took several actions to raise public awareness and reduce behaviors leading to the spread of the disease ..  With the onset of migration season 2007/2008 stage was organized seminars to educate included 30 colleges, institutes and universities Egyptian distribute 10 thousand booklet to raise awareness of the dangers of an avian influenza pandemic ..  He explained that the sector involved in the various committees of the ministries and provinces prepare national plans to prepare for the epidemic.

http://www.algomhuria.net.eg/a... [<< not a permalink]

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 12:03:32 PM CST

EGYPT - "Hundreds of suspected cases in various Egyptian governorates"

Well maybe this 143 figure was correct...

~~~~~quote~~~~~

A mention here of 143 suspected cases in connection with the recent 5 confirmed cases and 4 deaths.  Not sure what this figure means -- 143 suspected cases currently? Recently?  No idea.

Google-translated from Arabic:

Is succeed Supreme Committee to Combat Anflonzataior in the face of the disease in Egypt?
Jan 3, 2008

(...)

From its side, the chariman Ayman Al Kaffas said the General Information Authority president and spokesman higher committee in the press conference that was held after the meeting of the committee is that the reports that the highest committee discussed in its meeting today pointed out that the injury ratio by the bird flu disease reached in 2007 about 25 an injury [25 confirmed cases in 2007] -- and the suspicion conditions reached about 143 case from them 5 injuries and four conditions of deaths [i.e. the recent group of 5 cases with 4 deaths] -- compared with 18 injuries in 2006 and most of the injuries were in the females.

(...)

http://www.masrawy.com/News/Eg...

http://www.newfluwiki2.com/sho...

~~~~~/quote~~~~~

From today:

Google-translated from Arabic:

The broad spread of avian influenza and the exchange of accusations between officials
WHO: There are 52 thousand pigs in Dakahlia total 300 thousand in Egypt
Jan 5, 2008

Mona Pasha

Question that has imposed himself recently is Egypt failed in the face of bird flu, both in terms of confrontation or awareness, particularly in the provinces with the growing incidence of proven positive to the surface of hundreds of suspected cases in various Egyptian governorates, which witnessed Dakahlia alone more than 30 the case of suspicion, since the death of case No. 42 of Dakahlia governorate and the company specifically village despite official statements of periodic fortifications [vaccinations] and full supervision by the veterinary medicine and preventive health, but the challenge is Mutaiadelh accusations between officials of the Ministry of Health and officials of the Directorate of Veterinary Medicine in maintaining a dispute over defaulting in prevention Vbatrien accuse health as expanding circle of suspicion is inflated, which increases cases of suspected accuses veterinary and health that immunizations are inadequate and the final product is the increasing incidence and suspicion, ignoring developments that could increase the likelihood of disease.

Yalzkr is that the World Health Organization had warned of the spread of swine flu virus in Egypt this winter, especially in light of raising more than 300 thousand pigs in various Egyptian governorates, including 60 thousand pig Qaliubia governorate alone and separated 52 thousand and 50 thousand and 45 thousand in Cairo in Assiut. The FAO report that the pigs could receive avian influenza and human influenza, and that the virus could Pivoting up from pig to man and then from human to humans.

http://www.elbadeel.net/index....

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 12:51:34 PM CST

Well

that matches Niman's tally--he is hovering around 100/his latest map of the cases is sobering, BTW.

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by: pugmom @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 13:02:58 PM CST

[ Parent ]

I only have 16 listed + 1 dead

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:16:08 PM CST

[ Parent ]

A glimpse of WHO in Egypt

(Found this reference to WHO in Egypt/trying to find out what WHO is doing over there, they must be going crazy about now)

1-5-08 http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/...

Adviser to the World Health: Avian influenza disease behavior. And the lives of most Egyptians chickens.

  Wrote Raymond Edward 5/1/2008
Dr. Nasr El Sayed, Assistant Minister for Health, that the bird flu virus still exists in Egypt after the calm period we have lived for a month in July 2007, then returned virus activity again with the beginning of December.

He said in his speech to channel Arab space that the Ministry of Health did not stop throughout the past year on awareness campaigns and media, we have added 13 A pilot rural Itrguen every morning at least about 50 thousand houses in the Egyptian awareness of avian influenza disease, but the problem in dealing with citizen The dead birds infected, and over the years we managed to separate slightly between the citizen and birds, but they are still a culture of dealing with citizen living birds continuing, refusing to deal with the frozen birds and insist on breeding birds and slaughter.

He added that Mr. Case is not birds, but the issue that there are citizens with birds at home, some tunnel or a large number of them and some wounded in the way of death, and must be made aware of all citizens in the village of Egyptian feeling not to touch dead birds because birds and slaughter and cleaning led to the death of four women During the week, and this number is too large....

For his part, Dr. Hassan called human regional adviser for emerging and infectious diseases at the World Health Organization Middle East, the citizens not to panic or concern, pointing out that if people follow the instructions recommended by the World Health Organization, the most important being away from dead birds and sick, and if human hair symptoms satisfactory went to the doctor that he possesses Vlissarha or exposure to dead birds All this helps in the detection and early diagnosis and early treatment and therefore reduce mortality.

He explained that the human WHO seeks to reduce friction citizen and dead birds infected, because the disease satisfactory behavior in the first place, Awareness is the foundation must be on the citizen to know that this killer disease, and that human life is more precious than all the existing birds have, so it must continue outreach.

The WHO seeks to equip laboratories and train doctors and hospitals fight infection and to provide remedies necessary in the event of the spread of the disease is epidemic.  

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by: pugmom @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 13:40:22 PM CST

Hi Theresa42 and pugmom,

Carol@SC forwarded her spreadsheet to me so that a table and Case information diary could be produced.  It is located here (and we are already 1 day behind your news):
http://www.newfluwiki2.com/sho...

If this would be helpful to you both on an ongoing basis, perhaps I could post weekly updates based on Carol's spreadsheet.

I am in no way trying to change your method of summarizing at the top, because I can't commit to daily updates right now as you need for news tracking when it is so busy.  I've simply included the detail by suspected case so the tabular counting can be verified by individual, if needed.

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by: Michelle in OK @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 17:44:18 PM CST

Michelle

Wow--thankyou so much!

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by: pugmom @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 18:18:23 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Thanks Michelle & Carol!

That's perfect -- thanks guys!!  I think it would be great to get those tables posted to the top of this or the next Egypt diary 'cause they're much clearer than my list which is really just my own, semi-organized notes.  %-)

I've been trying to find the time to cross-check my list with Carol's spreadsheet, but I've been running around (the internet) like (dare I say it?) a chicken with my head cut off just trying to keep up with the news!  So, thanks again!  :-)

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 03:37:19 AM CST

[ Parent ]

And the Devastating Danger....and new cases

1-6-08 http://www.ahram.org.eg/Index....

And the devastating danger!

Avian influenza risk inherent anger move quickly missile result of neglect and centered to the epidemic devastating human influenza before .. and we always move in reaction .. latent virus and will last for 10 years Unfortunately for the BBB only after the announcement of the deaths or suspicion, we Operations mass executions of the birds despite the decisions of the Supreme Committee, we are moving in a fight .. tortoise and the required face serious .. What happened in the provinces?.

Cases of injury Lake!
Tamer Abdul of the lake:
Implement the preservation plan to combat bird flu decided Maj. Gen. Mohamed Sha'rawi governor lake signing fine of 500 pounds on each car carrying poultry without a licence or a means of veterinary medicine to spend 200 pounds immediate reward of having each car bid for workers and the allocation of the rest amount for the purchase of vaccines, vaccines and support personnel Balhmlha, stressing the need to tighten controls Mufark manual and remove all Ashash random cities. on the other side booking couple Mohamed Fathalla 50 years homemaker and resident and student Rashid Anwarul Abdulwahid Solomon from the village of Apis Azhar rotor inside salt Alexandria Hospital for suspected bird flu injured as they emerged symptoms of the disease and in the high temperature and congestion in the throat and difficulty breathing, because of Mkhaltthma Habitat home was Hdzhma hospital and take samples for analysis central labs in Cairo.

6 suspected cases of Sohag
Sohag from Mohammad Mustafa Mutawe, Nivine:
Reservation 6 cases were suspected cases of avian influenza virus Sohag Hospital of contacts for domestic chores while birds: Hanan Farouk Abu guest (25 years old) housewife from the village boys Aizaz status Sohag and exulted Hussein Kamal Din (65 years) from the village of Umrah status Sohag and Hanan Mohammed Khalaf (20 years) housewife from the village of Aljbab status surged and dear Abdu al (5 years) and sisters minimum (3 years), Zeinab (two years) from the village Ahawaolh status has been established to take samples and swabs were sent to the labs and the central Ministry of Health for examination. by the working groups set up by Mr. Mohsen Al-governor of Sohag, veterinary medicine, agriculture, health, security, environment and local units to move to homes suspected of positive disease Avian influenza virus to carry out cleansing and take all preventive measures to prevent the spread of any infection.....

 

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by: pugmom @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 18:31:29 PM CST

EGYPT - 3 sus cases from one family in Sohag

Thanks, pugmom!

LaidbackAl points out that three of these sus cases from Sohag appear to be from one family:

dear Abdu al (5) village of Ahawaolh
sister minimum (3F?) village of Ahawaolh
Zeinab (2F?) village of Ahawaolh

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 03:49:13 AM CST

[ Parent ]

EGYPT - "Egyptian universities not [qualified] to deal with avian influenza"

Fourth story on page.

Google-translated from Arabic:

Egyptian universities are not eligible [qualified]
To deal with avian influenza
Jan 6, 2008

Dr. Hussein Ali Ahmad Professor viruses Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, University of Cairo, Egypt did not unique appearance of bird flu again since appeared in several other countries.

The Egyptian universities are unqualified to deal with the virus in laboratories equipped lacks .. He pointed out that to be executed chicken injured and compensate affected non-compensated because they are sometimes not reported cases infected with.

The vaccines available but important for the citizens to cooperate with campaigns injection.

http://www.algomhuria.net.eg/a... [<< not a permalink]

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 05:33:48 AM CST

EGYPT - 5 new sus cases in Menoufia, Qena, and Beheira

Five new suspected cases -- 2 in Menoufia, 2 in Qena, and 1 in Beheira.

Google-translated from Arabic:

Hotbeds of new avian influenza .. In Menoufiya, Qena and the lake [Beheira]
Detain children 3 "babies" hospital .. On suspicion of injury
Almost no day passes until a new hotbed of bird flu in the provinces.
Jan 6, 2008

Menoufiya - Razek emerged:

Detained Hospital Dietetic Shebin Mound both bacterial Abdullah morning from "Abussnith" Balbageor and Naglaa Mohammad Saeedi of Shebin Mound on suspicion of bird flu disease injured.

For his. Hisham Atta Undersecretary of the Italian [Menoufian] Ministry of Health had been taking a sample of ladies for analysis.

Detained Hospital Dietetic Qena babies Mustafa Omar, Omar Khaled injured on suspicion of avian influenza because of bronchitis and a high temperature.

Discovered fight death squads 5 birds and 25 chickens execution and finding a house and focus Q. Mustafa village Alsemsta career.

Lake [Beheira] - Karem Guentoc:

Detained Hospital Dietetic Damanhour child Hisham Amr Pasha 3 years and evaluates the village Asmania Baetay gunpowder on suspicion of being infected with avian influenza have acquired because of the birds and found his sudden rise in temperature, red face and throat were narrow sampling of children and birds contact him and sent to central laboratories for analysis.

http://www.algomhuria.net.eg/a... [<< not a permalink]

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 05:49:06 AM CST

More throat symptoms here

Hisham has red face and throat...

If this truly is a new symptom, we may be in trouble here. Have they analyzed the genetic sequences of the virus in this current outbreak in Egypt to see if there is any change in it's binding sites?

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 17:45:07 PM CST

[ Parent ]

If they have

they sure aren't letting us in on it.  Have seen nothing regarding any sequencing data, only brief allusions to doing it eventually.

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by: pugmom @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 18:06:13 PM CST

[ Parent ]

"Red face"

I haven't seen "red face" as a symptom before either in Egyptian reports or elsewhere.  I presume it has something to do with the high fever, but I thought it was interesting that they started mentioning it.

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 04:05:52 AM CST

[ Parent ]

EGYPT - "25 cases of new infection with symptoms similar to bird flu in 5 provinces"

Dakahliya:  16 new, unnamed sus cases totally yesterday -- 5 still under observation; all the rest "came out of the hospital" -- how many of those are part of the 30+ mentioned in another report is not clear

Sohag:  3 new -- 1 already on our list; also sounds like one person "bolted" from the hospital -- don't see their name on our list
Qena:  2 new
Menoufiya:  2 new unnamed -- already on our list (prolly)
Qalubia:  3 new

Google-translated from Arabic:

25 cases of new infection with symptoms similar to bird flu in 5 provinces
Jan 6, 2008

Wrote governorates - Egyptian today

Immunization efforts raced time for the siege of virus

The number of people living with symptoms similar to bird flu in 5 provinces yesterday, and detained hospitals Sohag, Qena and Qaliubia, Dakahliya, Menoufiya, 25 new cases.

According to hospital sources in Sadr in Mansoura [Dakahliya governorate] had been receiving 16 cases were infected samples were taken for analysis in the central laboratory, said, Mr. Dr., Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health in Dakahlia, that all the cases came out of the hospital except 5 people are still under observation.

In Sohag, said Dr. Ali Haraz, Director General Hospital city:  been detained 3 cases infected with symptoms similar to bird flu are: Nafisa Ahmed Magali 30 years, silos tracts of the West; Hanan Farouq Abu guests from the village boys Aizaz Center Qena; and Hanan Mohammed Khalaf 45, from the village of Aljbab, Bsouahin Mkhaltat they found the dead birds, while the police were notified that an old hopes Morgan, 23, from the village of Jeridat of the city centre [bolted] from the hospital to search for.

In Qena, the governor, Major General Magdi Ayoub, the detention hospital dietary two cases:  Mostafa Amr Mustafa, a year and a half, and Amr Khalid Gharib, 4 months, from the affairs in the city of Qena, following the death of 5 birds and 25 chickens in the execution of their house.

As has been the focus of the discovery of new birds infected with the disease in the house and Q. Mustafa Sadiq, in the village of Asamtan we inaugurated, was destroyed.

In Menoufiya, said Dr. Hisham Youssef, Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health Hospital Dietetic Shebin Mound received two new suspected injured disease.

In Qalubia, the source in the preventive medicine that the hospital super cows [Banha] detained 3 new cases infected are:  Sami Mahdi Mahdi; Gamalat Hassan Ibrahim, from Kafr gratitude; Mariam Omran Abossria of stressing.

He warned Major General Abdel Youssef, director general poultry stock exchange's main Qaliubia, it is continuing to set ambushes cars poultry between provinces and left full of poultry farms infected with the disease, in the statements of the Director of the Stock Exchange of journalists on a national campaign begins tomorrow to denounce the return of avian influenza again and the prevention methods.

In Alexandria, resulted campaigns moderators security and veterinary medicine, the seizure of 36 of the owners of shops and farms sell about 1585 of living birds and Ingulwnha without a license.

http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/...

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 06:26:42 AM CST

EGYPT - "New conditions on import of bf vaccines"

New conditions on Import of Bird Flu Vaccines

By  Metwalli Salem    6/1/2008

Minister of Agriculture and Land Reclamation Amin Abaza unveiled that his ministry would prepare a study to determine the types of serums and vaccines the companies import from outside and set new conditions on private companies importing anti-bird flu vaccines.

He said the most important of these conditions is that the companies must be registered in the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) and that the vaccine must be effective against the lethal H5N1 strain of bird flu in Egypt.

Commenting on the paper's yesterday exclusive report about the doubts over the validity of vaccines imported by these companies, the minister told al-Masry al-Youm that it is a scientific fact that the vaccine is not 100% effective against the disease, as its efficiency ranges between 75% and 90%, and that the circulation of vaccine is as important as the type of vaccine used in immunization, indicating that the ineffectiveness of vaccines imported from abroad is not in the interest of companies importing the vaccines.

He noted that about more than one billion anti-bird flu doses have been imported either by the state or the private sector since February 17, 2006. "All of these doses have been tested in the ministry's Institute of Veterinary Vaccines," he added.

Abaza stressed that all the vital safety regulations would be strictly applied and stringently enforced through the control of veterinary services affiliated with the General Authority for Veterinary Services, indicating that the increased number of infections in recent weeks were mainly attributable to the fact that many poultry farms are lax in applying vital safety standards, making them believe that they have entirely brought the virus under control.

Abaza accused some owners of farms where bird flu infections are reported of selling the remaining stock in the other coops in several provinces, contributing to the spread of the virus to other areas instead of culling all birds in all the farm's coops. He maintained that this behavior is a crime against citizens and the State.

http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/...

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 06:35:21 AM CST

EGYPT - "The formation of committees to address the avian influenza virus in the governorates"

Google-translated from Arabic:

The formation of committees to address the avian influenza virus in the governorates

Wrote Mitwalli Salem 6/1/2008

The Ministry of Agriculture and Land Reclamation to set up committees to urgent and intensive face bird flu and sampling for testing by the central laboratory of the Ministry of Agriculture to include samples of poultry farms and rural education, including 30 governorates of the day Qaliubia governorate to follow up the situation as more provinces that experienced the largest number of casualties MS.

Participates in the face of disease General Authority for Veterinary Services directorates and veterinary medicine nationwide and Central Laboratory for the control of poultry production and the Research Institute for Animal Health of the Centre for Agricultural Research is the primary function of detection of bird flu especially in the hot spots.

Said Dr. Hamid Samaha, Chairman of the General Authority for Veterinary Services, told "Egyptian Today" was completely immunized 5 million and 250 thousand birds free of charge in rural education since the start of the second campaign to combat the disease early last December in addition to the distribution of 17 million doses of vaccines and vaccines for immunization against disease and to all directorates veterinary medicine nationwide.

He added that it was also decided continuing campaigns to sell live bird markets and ban all sales of these birds in the context of an operational plan to contain the disease and curb addition to the revitalization of the Conference of the body to receive all communications from citizens, analysis and take the necessary decisions on them.

He explained that he has been banned poultry farm waste transfer between provinces, including "Sblh" only official statement on veterinary devices to make sure that they are free from disease or from farms subject to the security procedures vital and completely free of the virus.

http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/...

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 06:48:53 AM CST

EGYPT - "Division head warns of poultry 'inaction' control agencies in preventing the circulation of living birds'

Google-translated from Arabic:

Division Head Warns of poultry "inaction" control agencies in preventing the circulation of living birds
Jan 6, 2008

Wrote Amira Salih

Mr. Abdul Aziz warned, Chief, Division of Poultry from the continued spread of the bird flu virus, and lax control agencies on the handling live poultry.

The student, Sayed, the People quickly issuing private law, to ban the sale and trading of live poultry, which was approved by the Shura Council at its last session, and moved to «people» and the parliamentary session ended without issuance.

He explained that there is Mr. complete absence of factor analyses governorates, and the samples are transferred to central labs in Cairo, leading to difficulty cover all the farms.

Added that about 70% of the poultry is undergoing analysis, as a result of the absence of laboratories, especially in the provinces.

Mr. expressed fears alter the virus in Egypt, and expected to lead to the death of approximately 30% of the Egyptian people, in this case, and demanded closely efforts between control agencies, civil society and agencies concerned to confront the disease and to take the necessary measures to bring it under control, and awareness of the seriousness of live poultry among citizens.

As Mr. poultry prices decline, as the price of 5.50 pounds per kilowatt, compared with 6.25 days last "farm price", referring to the owners of farms suffered heavy losses and educators, because of the low prices compared with the costs.

He explained that private industry is the source of national income of the state, which requires further efforts to preserve this industry, which absorb at least 2 million workers.

He referred to a meeting next week, includes members of the Division and will be invited officials and plantation owners, and issue a statement including the most important actions needed to save the industry.

http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/...

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 06:58:40 AM CST

Egypt/man-on-the-street interview

(partial interview with the man on the street in Egypt--the typical chicken-seller)
1-6-08 http://www.moheet.com/show_fil...  

The spectre of bird flu
Egypt will refuse to be wrong    

After a period of calm and tranquillity returned bird flu crisis sweeping the Egypt and strongly as if the calm that precedes the storm.....  

The gravity of the topic met with Arab News Network "vicinity" of some farmers in bird houses and bird owners of shops selling live poultry and consumers and citizens have to know their views in this disease and fears over the impact on the lives of both consumers fear for their lives or health and vendors fear that the source of their livelihood.  

Government is the reason  

Q: No disease called avian influenza

The "e. A o" "27" years of one bird sellers, carrying BSc The profession has long profession is that the father knows others: "There is no disease called avian influenza and they are unfounded, they are all rumors for the Government of the work deals enter them billions of billions, "he said if the number of Egypt's population of 75 million is 25 million of whom work in the profession of selling birds and poultry, wondering:" How close down all these shops as a single store is a source of livelihood for about three or more families?.....

 

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by: pugmom @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:12:11 AM CST

Egypt/"Not a Pandemic"

1-6-08 http://arabic.irinnews.org/Rep...

Egypt: Bird flu is not a pandemic despite the recent deaths - health officials
Dubai, September 6 January 2008

Poultry sellers in the market Zainab in Old Cairo in Egypt. Can be naturally infected birds avian influenza virus, but it has transmitted to humans through direct mixing infected birds
Despite the deaths of four people in Egypt last week contracted avian influenza, but health officials do not believe that this disease has become an epidemic in the country.
In this context, said John Jabbour, the medical consultant for emerging diseases in the WHO Regional Office for the Eastern Mediterranean network news humanity (Irene), "There are not yet fears that the disease might be turned into flu epidemic."

According to press reports, the H5N1 virus was detected among poultry in the Nile Delta, especially those that are raised in barns home......

The World Health Organization reported that some of the victims who were killed by the H5N1 virus showed resistance to the drug Tamiflu anti-virus.

Before that recent deaths, the latest human deaths have been reported due to bird flu had occurred in the month of June 2007. He explained the reason for this Jabbour said: "Avian influenza illness linked to Conduct people. Over a long time the last time were reporting on the virus, people returned to the poultry inside their homes because they are the only source of income for them."

Precautionary measures

Egypt has taken many preventive measures against avian flu since the emergence of the disease in the country in 2006. He explained Abdul Ghaffar Abdul Nasser, the director of the Disease Control Unit, Ministry of Health, the network news humanity (Irene) of this action by saying: "We have formed a supreme committee to combat bird flu, consisting of representatives from the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Agriculture and representatives from various governorates and the security authorities. Complexity of the Commission meet once a month in normal conditions and intensify its meetings whenever the need arises ... that also come to an advanced stage in the plan to combat global epidemic on the national level, and are currently working on the provincial level, hospitals. focuses on the planning responsibilities of each party in the event of the disease turning to the global epidemic. "

He added: "The awareness campaigns that we organized very useful. For example, we were able to address all injuries that have been reported among children in the past year. Mothers have become more aware of their children as Iseran to the hospital as soon as symptoms of influenza injury doubt."

But Abdel Nasser attributed the increase in the number of injuries to the heart of people in the reporting of deaths or poultry exposure to any symptoms. He also pointed out that "some people who come to the hospital are suffering from symptoms of the disease are lying to doctors asking when they raise poultry in their homes, which may delay their access to appropriate treatment....."

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by: pugmom @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:20:28 AM CST

Egypt/A ray of Hope???

1-6-08 http://massai.ahram.org.eg/Ind...

Analyses samples suspicion stresses free of the virus
Mohamed Al-Hassan:

While the increase in the state of panic that control most provinces by fears of bird flu, confirmed reports of tests that have been conducted central labs of the Ministry of Health that the results of the samples were taken from patients under suspicion provinces of Cairo, Giza, Sohag and Eastern Qalubia, came negative and free of the virus that causes avian influenza. comes at a time when continued organs of the Ministries of Health and Agriculture in cooperation with the security implementation of the decisions of the Supreme Ministerial Committee to combat the disease on birds in a poultry farm proves the existence of cases of HIV positive.....

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by: pugmom @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:26:18 AM CST

I hope so!

Good news, indeed.  :-)

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:42:33 AM CST

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I hope these are not Tamiflu-induced negatives

and I hope they publish the names of the negatives soon so we can have a clearer idea of how many among the sus cases we can safely eliminate.

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by: Kelly Phan @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 13:29:53 PM CST

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EGYPT - Update summary - Jan 6, 2008

My current count:  5 confirmed cases PLUS 91+ (97+) suspected cases PLUS 1 suspected death PLUS 11+ (23+) negatives = 108+ (126+)

Dr. Niman's count:  "I only see 115 minus negatives, so the total suspect cases, including confirmed is below 100."
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms...

One news report states that there has been "hundreds of suspected cases in various Egyptian governorates" since Dec. 30.  Another mentioned a figure of 143.

Note that the dates below are news report dates, not admission dates.

SUMMARY OF CONFIRMED AND SUSPECTED CASES IN EGYPT SINCE DEC 25

5 Confirmed cases / 4 deaths

Oula Yunis Ali Mohamed (25F) - d. Dec 25, 2007 -- Beni Haroun, Beni Suef governorate
Attorh Hanim Ibrahim [aka Hanem Atwa Ibrahim] (50F) - d. Dec 31, 2007 -- Shatt `Ezbet el-Lahm, Damietta governorate
Nora Aboul Abbas Mohamed (21/22F) -- Barhim near Minuf city, Al Minufiyah
Fatma Fathi Mohamed (25F) - d. Dec 30, 2007 -- Dikirnis, Ad Daqahliyah governorate
Firdaus Mohamed Hadad (26F) - d. Dec 31, 2007 -- Al Minufiyah governorate

Between 91 - 97 suspected cases reported since Dec 30 / 1 suspected death (prolly tested neg) / between 11 - 23+ tested neg (not counted)

Alexandria Governorate (4)

Dec 31 - Faten (23F)

Jan 03 - Mahdi Abdul Aziz Mahmoud Ashour (43M?) - poultry worker - Hospital "Dietetic" Alexandria
Jan 03 - Mohamed Mahmoud Abdel Hameed (20M) - reside Babis

Jan 04 - Anwar Mohammed Abdul Wahid (14)

Beheira Governorate - (8-10)

Dec 30 - Mohamed Khalil Abdul Qawi (40M) - Ezbet "Notes", [Centre Kom Hamada] Kawm Hamadah - admitted to hospital on Dec 28 (Jan 4th report)

Jan 04 - 1 unnamed suspected case admitted Jan 3

Jan 04 - Reza Ibrahim Ibrahim (10M) - Bhmyat Damanhour
Jan 04 - Unnamed woman
Jan 04 - Unnamed woman's daughter (6 months)
Jan 04 - Unnamed - from Blue Dawar village - Alexandria Pathogenesis Hospital
Jan 04 - Unnamed - from Blue Dawar village - Alexandria Pathogenesis Hospital

Jan 05 - Mohamed Fathalla (50F) - sudden rise in temperature, red face and narrow throat - Hospital Dietetic Alexandria

Jan 06 - Rashid Anwarul Abdul Wahid Solomon - student - from village of Apis Azhar rotor, Salt Alexandria Hospital
Jan 06 - Hisham Amr Pasha (3) - Hospital Dietetic Damanhour

Beni Suef Governorate (1+ **)

Jan 02 - Anwar Ali Sayyad (25M) [unemployed] from Shaweesh Ahnassa village

Cairo Governorate (? / 1 neg?)

NEG? - Dec 31 - Salah Eddin Mohamed Ali (43M) - d. Dec 29 - Al Amiriyah - teacher - test results on man?/birds? reported to be neg on Jan 2

Jan 06 - Al Ahram reports unnamed negative(s) in Cairo

Dakahlia Governorate (30+ acc'd to one report / 19-21 on this list / 11 neg?)

Jan 03 - Mr. Sadr mediator (40M) - from the Centre for nitrogen
Jan 03 - Fatma Mohammed Saeed (45F) - from Mansoura
Jan 03 - Abdul Rahman Abdul Rahman (9M) - from the village stone pillars
Jan 03 - Imad Bader Abdul Rahman (40) - from the village stone pillars
Jan 03 - Ibrahim Abdel Razek (50M) - from the village of Kom Derby

Jan 04 - Mr. Alusivi doctor(?) - from the village and they Aldnanic - Mansoura Chest Hosp. [same as Mr. Sadr mediator above?]
Jan 04 - Nima Mohammed Mahmoud Abdul Hamid - Mansoura Chest Hosp.
Jan 04 - Abdul Rahman Ali Bader - Mansoura Chest Hosp.
Jan 04 - Abdul Rahman Hamadi (13M) - son of Abdul Rahman Ali Bader - Mansoura Chest Hosp.
Jan 04 - Ibrahim Abdul Aziz [same as Ibrahim Abdel Razek above?]
Jan 04 - Nuha Mohammed Fathi - from the village Ain pomegranate, Bdkrns

Jan 04 - Solomon Solomon Reza (2) - from the village of Gross Bbalkas - Mansoura Chest Hosp. - admitted Jan 3
Jan 04 - Hamdi Mohamed Awad (8) - from the village of Abu vulnerable Bbalkas - Mansoura Chest Hosp. - admitted Jan 3
Jan 04 - Com Mahmoud Rejab (45F) - admitted Jan 3
Jan 04 - Mr. Omar Almqauri (13M) - student from Mansoura Street Abdel Salam - Mansoura Chest Hosp. - admitted Jan 3
Jan 04 - "Faith" (1) - from the village of Aldnabaiq status, Mansoura - Mansoura Chest Hosp. - admitted Jan 3

Jan 05 - 30+ unnamed suspected cases since Dec 30

Jan 06 - 16 new, unnamed cases admitted Jan 5; 5 still under observation, 11 discharged (neg?)

Damietta Governorate (2)

Jan 03 - Mohamed Fathi (13) - of Damietta

Jan 04 - 5 unnamed suspected cases admitted Jan 3

*A report on the Egyptian government's bf website says that "The government Damitta has taken the brunt of suspected cases."  But, we only have 2 listed.

Gharbiyah/Al Gharbiyah Governorate (1 / 6 negatives)

NEG - Jan 01 - Hani El-Ashry - "34 years" policeman (Ali El-Ashry per flubergasted) - from the village of Ameriya, Mahala - Hospital Salt Mahala
NEG - Jan 01 - Huda Khaled (1M?) [aka Hoda Khalid Saeed] - from the village of Aldoakhilih, Mahala - Hospital Salt Mahala

Jan 02 - Sara Adel Aboushadi (child) from "My wedding procession" [Abo_ak_i Hospital pathogenesis Zfti]

NEG (per Carol@SC) - Jan 03 - Aida Abdul Aziz (28F?) - from the village of Al Abualli, Mahala - Hospital Salt Mahala
NEG - Jan 03 - Ahmed Mohammed Salim (24M) - from "the Republic", Mahala - Hospital Salt Mahala
NEG? - Jan 03 - Hatem Mohammed Jamil (52M) - Mahala - Hospital Salt Mahala
NEG - Jan 03 - "Allegedly Saw" Mohammed Shihata (8 months F) - from the village of Mit Taha, Centre Mmas - Hospital Salt Mahala

Jan 04 - Six negatives reported

Giza Governorate (? / ? negatives)

Jan 06 - Al Ahram reports unnamed negative(s) in Giza

Ismailia Governorate (0 / 3 negatives)

NEG - Jan 03 - SM Ezbet - Eid of the village on Eid
NEG - Jan 03 - Salma Ahmed Hussein - from the village of painted Daryll - high temperature and pneumonia, and headache

NEG (per Carol@SC) - Mr. Muhammad M-25

Menoufiya/Al Minufiyah Governorate (13)

Dec 30 - Nader Said Babylonian (5M) - ["Al Btanoun"] Al Batanun
Dec 30 - Ahmad Abdul Mohsen [aka Roqayya Ahmed Abdul Mohsen] (6M) - from a village "Tnbdi hamlet" ["Kafr Tunbdi"] in Shibin Al Kawm center [Kafr Tambidi?]

Dec 31 - Abdul Rahman Ibrahim (57M)
Dec 31 - Abed Rabbo (50M?)
Dec 31 - Mohammad Ferdous (36M)

Jan 01 - Adel Mohamed Adel - from [Sers Al-Layan] Sirs al Layyanah
Jan 01 - Doaa - daughter of Adel Mohamed Adel

Jan 01 - Mohamed Said Abdul Rahman - from Barhim
Jan 01 - Karim Mohamed Fawzi - from Kafr Sheikh Khalil village in Shibin Al Kawm
Jan 01 - Hamida Abdul Hafiz Rizk - Aboukls [Abu Kullus] village in the Martyrs

Jan 03 - "Hopes" Mr. Sabbagh (30F?) - from the village "Dkma" - Hospital Dietetic Shebin Mound

Jan 06 - Abdullah morning - from Abussnith Balbageor - Hospital Dietetic Shebin Mound
Jan 06 - Naglaa Mohammed Saeedi - from Shebin Mound - Hospital Dietetic Shebin Mound

*Note that confirmed case Nora Aboul Abbas Mohamed above is also from Barhim, Al Minufiyah.

Minya Governorate (1)

Jan 04 - Zakaria Reham Abdel-Fattah (16F) - resident status La Hqrani place; admitted to Hospital Dietetic Menya

Kafr El-Sheikh Governorate (2)

Jan 03 - "Equity" Mohamed Hammouda (32F) - homemaker - village Smjarat Barahmanih was Hdzhma - Hospital Dietetic Kafr El-Sheikh
Jan 03 - Amal Ibrahim Ghraib (1?) - "Equity's" baby? - village Smjarat Barahmanih was Hdzhma - Hospital Dietetic Kafr El-Sheikh

Port Said Governorate (4)

Dec 31 - Reza Abdalmugod Abdilkadir (25M) - husband of Radwan - "Satisfaction village in south of Port Said"
Dec 31 - Radwan - wife of Reza
Dec 31 - Mohammed (9M) - son of Reza & Radwan
Dec 31 - Rajab (5M) - son of Reza & Radwan

Qalyubia Governorate (7 or 8 / ? negatives)

Jan 01 - Safaa Mohamed Abdul Razek - nurse in the health unit - village of Al Alzm belonging to Shibin El Kanatar center [Shabin al Qanatir]

Jan 02 - Mohamed Talaat Mostafa Aboualfdl (3M) - in Banha Fevers - one of the 2 (3?) mentioned below?

Jan 03 - 2 (3?) new sus cases admitted to Banha Hosptial -- no names [also another report of 2 women being admitted to Banha Hospital]

Jan 06 - Sami Mahdi Mahdi - Banha Hospital
Jan 06 - Gamalat Hassan Ibrahim (M?) - from Kafr "gratitude" - Banha Hospital
Jan 06 - Mariam Omran Abossria (F?) - from "stressing" - Banha Hospita

Jan 06 - Al Ahram reports unnamed negative(s) in Qalyubia

Qena Governorate (5)

Jan 03 - Mohamed Khaled Adli - 4 month old child - Qena "Dietary" Hospital - high temperature

Jan 04 - Jasmine Khaled Adli (1 1/2 F) - in hospital salt Qena - sister of Mohamed above?
Jan 04 - Q. Mustafa Hussein (24F) - mother of Jasmine? - hospital salt Qena

Jan 06 - Mostafa Amr Mustafa (1 1/2 M) - from "the affairs" in the city of Qena - Qena Dietary Hosptial
Jan 06 - Amr Khalid Gharib (4 months) - from "the affairs" in the city of Qena - Qena Dietary Hosptial

Sharkia/Ash Sharqiyah Governorate (5 / 2(+?) neg)

NEG - Jan 01 - Nabil Ahmed Mohamed (8M) - from the village of Hrbit belonging to Aboukbir center

Jan 02 - Samia el-Sayed Awad (55F)
Jan 02 - Menah Mohamed Fathi (3F) - granddaughter of Samia

Jan 02 - Iman Sobhi (25F)
Jan 02 - Mohamed Maher Reda - Iman's son

Jan 03 - Husam Muhammad (4M) - from the village centre Alkhis Abouhmad

NEG - Jan 04 - Hisham Salah Tawfik (4) - from village of Abu Hammad Alhanis

Jan 06 - Al Ahram reports unnamed negative(s) in Sharkia

Sohag Governorate (9 - 10 / ? negatives)

Jan 05 - Hanan Farouk Abodev (25F) - village children Aizaz, status Sohag - Virus Hospital Sohag
Jan 05 - Hanan Mohammed Khalaf (20/22/45?F) - village Aljbab, status suged [Bsouahin Mkhaltat] - Virus Hospital Sohag

Jan 06 - Hussein Kamal Din (65) - village of Umrah, status Sohag

Jan 06 - dear Abdu al (5) - village Ahawaolh status
Jan 06 - "minimum" (3F) - sister dear Abdu al - village Ahawaolh status
Jan 06 - Zeinab (2F) - sister dear Abdu al - village Ahawaolh status

Jan 06 - Mustafa Omar - child - Hospital Dietetic Qena
Jan 06 - Omar Khaled - child - Hospital Dietetic Qena
Jan 06 - Nafisa Ahmed Magali (30) - from "silos tracts" of the West

Jan 06 - "old hopes Morgan" (23) - from the village of Jeridat of the city centre - bolted from the hospital - suspected case?

Jan 06 - Al Ahram reports unnamed negative(s) in Sohag

**Governorate uncertain (10)

Jan 05 - 10 unnamed admitted Jan 4 -- governorate uncertain?

Report says that 16 were admitted in Beni Suef and Sohag on Jan 4.  We have 6 named in Sohag.  That leaves 10 additional in Beni Suef and/or Sohag.

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:43:31 AM CST

Thanks!

Thanks to commonground, pugmom, Carol@SC, LaidbackAl, flubergasted, Dr. Niman and others for working on sorting out all these suspected cases!  :-)

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:01:03 AM CST

[ Parent ]

I second that.

Thanks to all of these people for their dedication and hard work.

"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson

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by: History Lover @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 11:10:24 AM CST

[ Parent ]

Yes, thanx to everybody

I would not be posting without your lists.

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by: pugmom @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 13:09:26 PM CST

[ Parent ]

WHO director's comments in Riyadh

(sorry, only a partial link, not cooperating today)

1-6-08 http://www.msat4u.com/cg/showt...

Manie told "Al-Riyadh:" We have allocated isolation rooms in hospitals to treat cases of bird flu

Detection of the "Riyadh", the Minister of Health, Dr. Hamad bin Abdullah obstacles that the "health" has isolation rooms within hospitals Riyadh region to follow up on any patient suspected of being infected with bird flu as a proactive if - God forbid - registered any case.....
This came in a press release of the "Riyadh" Following the opening ceremony yesterday sponsored training workshops, the second avian influenza which is organized by the National Guard Health Affairs in collaboration with the Ministry of Health, Agriculture and the Gulf Centre for infection control and the Saudi Society for Public Health and the World Health Organization and the presence of the Minister of Agriculture Dr. Fahd Balghanaim HE Dr. Hussein Gezairy, Regional Director of the World Health Organization, where events continue for four days Marriott Hotel Riyadh.....
The ceremony this rhetoric has begun the holy Koran then gave the Executive Director of the Center Gulf infection control and the Chairman of the process, Dr. Ziad Memc speech explained that the workshop is training with a select group of doctors and experts of world specialists in the bird flu virus from within and outside the Kingdom to train health workers and agricultural nation-wide investigation of how the casualties of the epidemic and thus the ability to respond to God.

Following that, Dr. Tawfik Khoja Executive Director of the Council of Health Ministers of the Gulf Cooperation Council speech in which he said:...regarding the exchange of information about influenza viruses and the genetic sequencing data......

Followed by the word HE Dr. Hussein Gezairy, Regional Director of WHO for the Eastern Mediterranean Region in which he stressed that the emergence of atomic bird flu virus highly pathogenic H5N1, and spread like wildfire, and their ability to adapt to circumstances, Tefradtha continuing, it may Consequently unprecedented global response in preparation to confront pandemic influenza, the virus has succeeded in passing the separation barrier between species, to involve people infected.. ... Since in 1968 became the world now more than ever, closer to the real pandemic because of the spread of the recent outbreaks of the influenza virus (H5N1) in birds and humans alike .. .. However this has caused various other atomic-Agency H5N1, the influenza virus in a pandemic influenza expected between humans......  

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by: pugmom @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:01:16 AM CST

request interpretation(s) of Gezairy's comments

I'm not at all good at interpreting these translations, but it seems Gezairy may be saying that this is "It" ???

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by: ssal @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 16:13:54 PM CST

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I think Gezairy is saying

the same sentence we have been reading at the end of every BF story for months: the "not if, but when" disclaimer.  The one worrisome aspect of his comment was when he said that it had crossed the species barrier. As far as sustained transmission, however, he is probably sitting by, holding his breath, like all of us are doing.

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by: pugmom @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 18:10:41 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Thanks pugmom.

Good analysis of his statement.  Even when they are speaking our language, doctors are often hard to understand!

"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson

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by: History Lover @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:04:26 AM CST

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Egypt/Case in Governorate of Aswan

(Aswan is WAY down south/take a look at the list and map of all the governorates:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governorates_of_Egypt).  May be new cases,too, in Mahala, and Qena.

1-6-08 http://www.alwafd.org/v3/News/...

....It also detained »yesterday« Affairs Directorate health preservation citizenship Huda Ashmawi - 38 years - housewives Hospital Dietetic Mahala after her high temperature and the blood sample is sent to labs for the Ministry of Health to ascertain the condition.

In Qena, Dr. Zia Egyptian Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health detention of Mustafa Amr Mustafa, a year and a half, and Amr Khalid Gharib, 4 months, the region Affairs on suspicion of injured bird flu after a dead bird arrest....

On the other hand, rose executive agencies Aswan Governorate preparations maximum detention after Muhammad Saad Eddin Maghazi, 6 years Bhmyat Aswan, on suspicion of avian influenza infection was withdrawn blood samples for analysis labs central ministry.  

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by: pugmom @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 13:06:02 PM CST

Don't know why that link

on the governorates won't hold--Google search "governorates of Egypt" and you will find it.

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by: pugmom @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 13:11:47 PM CST

Update on logged cases

To this point I have logged 150 caes on my spreadsheet. 14 negatives, 5 positives and of those 4 died. The rest are suspect. I do not guarantee this is 100% accurate but it was done to the best of my ability. Michelle and Theresa42, I will send you a copy of the spreadsheet either later tonight or in the morning. Pugmom, do you need one too?  

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 20:10:58 PM CST

Hi Carol

I will get a spreadsheet later from you, as I have to go to work today and will be out of the loop again for awhile, and things will probably change again before I have a chance to study it. Thanx so much for your efforts.  

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by: pugmom @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:25:14 AM CST

[ Parent ]

Correction

Correction:  I just spotted a mistake on my list.  These two cases that I have reported in Sohag should be in Qena -- and they're already listed in Qena, so that should be two less suspected cases totally.

Oops!  Sorry 'bout that.

Sohag Governorate (9 - 10 / ? negatives)

Jan 06 - Mustafa Omar - child - Hospital Dietetic Qena
Jan 06 - Omar Khaled - child - Hospital Dietetic Qena

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 04:54:53 AM CST

I have Mustafa Omar in Qena already

I don't have Omar Khaled anywhere on the spreadsheet unless
this is him, age 4 months with a different spelling of his name Amr Khalid Gharib, I have this one in Qena. Should I go ahead and add him?

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 05:50:32 AM CST

[ Parent ]

I'm pretty sure...

...Omar Khaled is Amr Khalid Gharib.

Omar ... Amr.  Prolly the same.

The 2 brothers should be in Qena -- I had them in Sohag, too, and that was wrong.  Oops!

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 06:13:01 AM CST

[ Parent ]

EGYPT - 2 new sus cases in Gharbiyah

2 new suspected cases in Gharbiyah -- man and granddaughter.

7 suspected cases in Beni Suef -- likely some of the 10 unnamed reported on Jan 5.
9 suspeced cases in Sohag -- we already have these I believe.

Also, report of a suspected case who had "bolted" from "Bba Hospital" -- he has been found and returned to hospital.  May be "old hopes Morgan" from Sohag who was reported to have fled the hospital.

Google-translated from Arabic:

18 cases of suspected bird flu patient and the flight of hospital Bba
Jan 7, 2008

Zakaria wrote intellectual and Atef Debis and Mr. Mohsen Program:

Detained Hospital Dietetic Mahala [Gharbiyah governorate] both the husband Mitwalli 59 years, and granddaughter Nada Mitwalli Ramadan 2 injured on suspicion of avian influenza.  He denied Dr. Sharif Hammouda Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health heat reports on the status of the death of avian influenza disease in the province.

In Sohag, the number of suspected cases of avian influenza illness injury to 9 cases and detain them Hospital dietary 6.

This was said by Director-General Mustafa Abdul Directorate of Agriculture governorate.

He said:  It has been prepared ambushed eight entrances to the border with neighbouring provinces and 3 mobile SLA to prevent the entry of infected birds and destroy.

In Fayoum executed organs Fayyoum governorate veterinary medicine was one of two thousand chickens traders had bought from poultry farms of the Lower Egypt before it enters the preservation campaigns in the framework of continuing the Fayoum devices to prevent the entry of poultry to maintain Under outlets tighten procedures to prevent the entry of poultry.

Rear Admiral Mohammad Majdi Aqbisi Fayoum Governor that he did not show any cases favorable to maintaining bird flu in the last period.

In Beni Suef hospital received Dietetic Beni Suef 7 persons suspected Basapthm avian influenza.  Specimens were taken from infected plants to be sent to the central Ministry of Health.  Been notified of the incident and Security Director agent of the Ministry of Health.

The Major General Samir Awaed Security Director has received notification of the arrival of the names of all 25-year resident Abdullah island city high Beni Suef; Mr. Anwarul Hassan 30 years of untre, Ghani Gomaa Ghani Halim, and Naglaa Rifai 15 years, Sabir Ahmed Zaki and Ahmed Mohamed emigrated and the names of Muhammad to the Hospital dietary Basapthm suspicion of avian influenza and show that the suspects are breeding birds and poultry on the roofs of houses.

The Mderia Veterinary Medicine 9 execution of thousands of birds and poultry in a farm Bba status in the campaign undertaken by the Higher Committee to combat the pandemic of avian influenza was found on a patient suspected affect avian influenza had escaped from Bba Central Hospital and returned to the hospital for treatment when the reports labs Ministry of Health.

In Alexandria issued Dr. Hatem mountain Health Minister strict instructions to stop birds suspected of being infected with bird flu ..  Asked the minister responsible for the oversight of health and veterinary conversion birds suspected to massacres and Zbhaoa been impounded slaughtered until verify the safety analysis and samples drawn from the lack of it, and then take the final decision or put to death in the market to preserve the wealth husbandry.

http://www.alwafd.org/v3/News/...

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 05:06:28 AM CST

That should be...

...woman and granddaughter...

2 new suspected cases in Gharbiyah -- man and granddaughter.

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 05:46:59 AM CST

[ Parent ]

EGYPT - 2 new sus cases in Qena / 2 family "clusters" of sus cases in Dakhalia

8 unnamed suspected cases in Dakhalia -- 5 from one family and 3 from another family.  The 5 from one family may be the same as the 5 that were reported as under observation in hospital yesterday.

Also, 14 negatives from Dakahlia that are still under observation in hospital in Mansoura.

2 new suspected cases in Qena -- brothers.

2 suspected cases from Gharbiyah -- reported above.

Google-translated from Arabic:

The detention of 12 cases infected with symptoms similar to bird flu in 3 provinces
Jan 7, 2008

Wrote governorates "Egyptian Today"

Detained hospitals in Sadr Mansoura [Dakahlia governorate] and salt Qena, Mahala [Gharbiyah] yesterday, 12 cases of suspected infection with symptoms of avian influenza, with the exchange of health officials and the police accusations in Sohag, because of the flight of another case of the city hospital.

The Mr. and Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health in Dakahlia, reception Sadr Hospital in Mansoura 5 cases of the same family, on suspicion of injury symptoms of the disease, have also been receiving 3 from another family, were sampling them for analysis.

Al "Egyptian Today" that there are 14 sample was negative patients are still being held under observation in hospital Mansoura.

In the West [Gharbiyah], said Dr. Hamdi Alinveri, Director of Hospital Dietetic Mahala, that the detention of a woman called papillary Mr. 59 years, granddaughter Nada Mitwalli Ramadan Two years old, took two samples for analysis.

In Qena, said the governor, Major General Magdi Ayoub, the hospital salt Qena detained both Mohammed Khairi al 4 years, and his brother Ahmed 3 years perform boys from the village of AMR, after high degree Hrarthma, sampling them for analysis.

http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/...

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 05:37:47 AM CST

EGYPT - 1 new sus cases in Beheira / 3 new sus cases in Damietta

2 suspected cases in Gharbiyah -- reported above.

1 new suspected case in Beheira.

3 new suspected cases in Damietta.  Also, 4 negatives from Damietta -- 2nd test results (first time I've ever heard that reported from Egypt!) -- may be some of the unnamed sus cases that were reported on Jan 4.

Hat-tip, Dr. Niman!

"6" new bird flu infections in the area and the lake and Damietta
Jan 7, 2008

Keeps outbreak human cases of avian influenza and a new discovery wells infected farms were yesterday Reservation 6 human cases hospitals salt Mahalla Damanhour Damietta on suspicion sickened were also executed 150 thousand chickens in a farm Salehia new entrance.

West [Gharbiyah] - on Aboudecic

Detained Hospital Dietetic Mahala Ms. Halima incumbent on the Falcon "59 years" and granddaughter Nada Mitwalli Ramadan Falcon "two and a half years" from the village of Mahala Alneaoun Center on suspicion of injured bird flu.  Been haq samples and sent them to the central factor.

Lake [Beheira] - Karem Guentoc

Detained Hospital Dietetic Damanhour Sarah Khalil Alclav "40 years" homemaker maintains Pferhash yard Issa on suspicion of being infected with bird flu because Mkhalttha bird.

Damietta - Nader Amara

Hospital dietary detained DAMIETTA Zeinab Mohamed Muqallad "40 years" from the village of Kafr Saad Allostani status and child Omar Abdel Mehran "two years and 4 months" from the village of Nasiriyah Martial status and Nur Mohammad Rizk "54 years" of Minya Damietta on suspicion of bird flu infection.

4 cases were out after negative sample analyses for the second time they Marwa Ashraf manufacturing "10 years" and Naglaa Mohamed Muqallad "34 years" and Na'amat Mugi "60 years" and Mahmoud Mohamed al-"10 years".

East [Sharkia] - Mohammed al

Executed Directorate Veterinary Medicine Neuro 150 thousand chickens in the farm town of New Salehia after some poultry deaths within 12 amber and the results are sent to labs central Cairo positive.

QALUBAIYA - Majdi Rifai:

The Directorate of Veterinary Medicine able conjunction with the veterinary 4 convoys passing on poultry farms in Banha, Shebin Spans and Kafr thanks Khanka already emergence of hotbeds of positive and withdrew samples for analysis. For his. Imad Mahdi Undersecretary of the Ministry of veterinary medicine that the convoy included 20 cars and 40 doctors.

There was processing protective clothing and gloves and masks and Srnecat and refrigerators for keeping samples .. He explained that these convoys will pass on the remaining centers maintain effective tomorrow, for a period of three days to inspect farms and domestic birds appeared hotbeds positive.  He noted that due to inadequate veterinary laboratories doctors were able use doctors from the Directorate of Veterinary Medicine Menoufiya Governorate.

http://www.algomhuria.net.eg/a... [<< not a permalink]

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 06:10:07 AM CST

Egyptian woman flees hospital after H5N1 diagnosis

http://capital.trend.az/?show=...

A 23-year-old woman has escaped from a hospital in Egypt after being preliminary diagnosed with a deadly bird flu virus, local media reported on Monday.

The woman was hospitalized last week with high temperature in the town of Tahta in the Upper Egyptian Sohag Governorate. She fled the hospital following the doctors' decision to transfer her to a special clinic.

Of 43 Egyptians infected with bird flu, mostly women and children who contracted the virus after coming into contact with infected poultry, 19 have died, four of them in the past two weeks.

Egyptian health authorities have reported that 10 other patients with bird flu symptoms are currently hospitalized in three governorates - Dakahlia, Gharbia and Sohag.

cont.

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by: UK - Bird @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:26:34 AM CST

The runaway...

One report above mentions someone who "bolted" from the hospital and that they had been found and returned.  Presumably it's this woman from Sohag.

http://www.newfluwiki2.com/sho...

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:41:14 AM CST

[ Parent ]

Ateeq Morgan, 23 years old from Jeridat apparently still not found

Maybe I'm not reading this right, but seems like different patients.  

If so, this is not the first runner.  

Sohag

The Mderia Veterinary Medicine 9 execution of thousands of birds and poultry in a farm Bba status in the campaign undertaken by the Higher Committee to combat the pandemic of avian influenza was found on a patient suspected affect avian influenza had escaped from Bba Central Hospital and returned to the hospital for treatment when the reports labs Ministry of Health.

http://www.newfluwiki2.com/sho...

Jeridat

The disappointing Ateeq Morgan, 23 years old, from the village of Jeridat, city centre, had escaped from the city General Hospital after raised panic among the residents and patients in the hospital, the other failed efforts to find security in the village after the discovery absence of a village name mentioned , as it continues to search in another village with a name similar Jeridat village. The initial report of the infected may rise monitoring temperature and the presence of nominated and clear symptoms of infection by the disease.

http://www.elbadeel.net/index....  

Not totally clear, but would not assume she is back on the ranch.
http://www.newfluwiki2.com/sho...  

ITW(Joel J)
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear.
- Mark Twain
 

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by: Into The Woods @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 16:37:08 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Or Maybe She Is Back

H5N1 Transfers to Cairo Unclear

Recombinomics Commentary 12:50
January 7, 2008

A 23-year-old woman has escaped from a hospital in Egypt after being preliminary diagnosed with a deadly bird flu virus, local media reported on Monday.

The woman was hospitalized last week with high temperature in the town of Tahta in the Upper Egyptian Sohag Governorate. She fled the hospital following the doctors' decision to transfer her to a special clinic.
...

http://www.recombinomics.com/N...

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms...  (From the Recombinomics post.)

Jeridat is part of Sohag - looks like.

BTW:  Is she pregnant?  

ITW(Joel J)
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear.
- Mark Twain
 

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by: Into The Woods @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 18:41:05 PM CST

[ Parent ]

EGYPT - "Accusing the government to import two million packets Tamiflu expired"

I'm guessing these are some questions raised/accusations made in the Egyptian Parliament -- in the People's Assembly.

Google-translated from Arabic:

QUERIES accusing the government to import two million packets Tamiflu Expired
Tmtalpin transfer hangars pigs away from populated areas
Jan 7, 2008

Saleh Shalabi

Warned data and urgent requests for notification of the seriousness of the health and environmental situation in the provinces of Cairo, Qaliubiya under incursions bird flu because of government inaction in the face of the accused and the Ministry of Health to import two million boxes of medicines Tamiflu ® terminated force, as well as the failure of this drug in the face of the disease.

The deputies Dr. Fred Ismail Mahmoud Abdallah, Mujahid Alioua warnings to the government to move quickly at all levels and to fulfil its responsibility to protect the constitutional citizens.

Meanwhile, the tragedy coming under government feared to face the pig pens deployed in the provinces of Cairo, Qaliubiya, within blocks of population wondered about the reasons and motives that prevent the government from the face of this Alkhanaer carrying the virus known to be the most lethal and deadly to human health and life of the virus found particularly poultry birds.

Deputies also wondered: Why the Government ignored the recommendations of the Committee on Energy and Industry People's Assembly, which underlined in their reports on the need to exterminate pigs carrier of the virus and immediate transmission of the population within the bloc to the desert and asked for abandoning the Ministry of Health hospitals intention to cancel both dietary quality, chest or other being the treatment of patients with avian influenza, deputies added that this trend unstudied would place the country in serious trouble in the case of the evolution of the disease and return with force and threatening to Egyptian society that keeps appearing in various Egyptian governorates.

He accused the government of failing and the deficit in the face of this disaster and environmental health after dealings in the first stage for the emergence of this disease incorrectly led to heavy losses increased to 20 billion pounds, as well as carrying out operations indiscriminate destruction of wealth husbandry and terrorizing the general people and Tkebedha heavy losses to draft women breadwinners and events great havoc at the farm level.

He attributed the return of the deputies of avian influenza again that the government had not established a clear policy and specific actors involved both in the face, where the absent role of the Ministry of Agriculture and the role of veterinary specialized in solving the problem and contain it.

Deputies asked: Where is the government of the lessons learned from the first crisis of Zaaurer bird flu, and where is the provision of bridging the significant shortfall in the veterinarians who had been appointed one of them since 1994 1200 doctor has been appointed on a temporary basis since.

http://www.elbadeel.net/index....

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 10:02:09 AM CST

Pigs, expired tamiflu and resistant virus???

If I am reading this article correctly, then they seem to be saying there is a triple threat in Egypt.

First

under incursions bird flu because of government inaction in the face of the accused and the Ministry of Health to import two million boxes of medicines Tamiflu ® terminated force, as well as the failure of this drug in the face of the disease.

This sounds like they are saying that the tamiflu they have on hand is expired, and for that reason (or perhaps viral resistance?) the drug is failing to help cure the disease.

Of course if this is true, then the good news is that the negatives are probably real negatives rather than positives which are masked by tamiflu. The bad news is that if the disease has become tamiflu resistant (as was suspected/discovered by NAMRU3 last summer, I believe) then it is going to be harder to smother this current outbreak.

The other concern is this part about the pigs...

Deputies also wondered: Why the Government ignored the recommendations of the Committee on Energy and Industry People's Assembly, which underlined in their reports on the need to exterminate pigs carrier of the virus and immediate transmission of the population within the bloc to the desert

This sounds like they definitely know pigs to be carriers (apparently is significant numbers enough to make such broad recommendations) and were supposed to exterminate them but didn't....and what do they mean "transmission of the population within the bloc to the desert?"

That sounds almost as if the recommendation is to take people within an outbreak area to a quarantine camp or zone in the desert....

Have any of you seen anything else on this?

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:29:51 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Expired Tamiflu

Like most if not all other medicines, Tamiflu's efficacy would degrade somewhat with time.  By and large, though, I consider expired Tamiflu to be the next best thing to Tamiflu that hasn't expired.  If I just bought some that was expired, I wouldn't be happy about it, but I wouldn't be throwing it away, either.

I'd also still expect it to work at least almost as well as it would have before it expired.

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by: Clawdia @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 13:48:33 PM CST

[ Parent ]

But is there any possiblity

that Tamiflu, used beyond its expiration date (and we would not know if it had been stored in the most optimal conditions) would push the virus in some way to further resistance, in the way that administration of inadequate amounts of Tamiflu might?  

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by: Pixie @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 23:08:05 PM CST

[ Parent ]

in principle, yes

expired drugs are likely to act like the original drug except less effective.



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...

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by: SusanC @ Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 16:33:25 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Expired Tamiflu

Perhaps I shouldn't bring this up because I was unable to find the reference but there was an article that came out of Australia (Or perhaps NZ) sometime last summer (if I remember the timing correctly) that stated that the Tamiflu they had in stock was soon to begin expiring and they had performed tests that showed it was good, with no loss of effectiveness, for at least two years past the date.

That was, again IIRC, heavily caveated with proper storage to begin with.

Anyway, my memory is not always reliable for "bits and pieces" but I decided to "toss it out there" in the hopes that someone would either remember reading it or would be able to track it down.

We Won't Know Until We Know.

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by: SophiaZoe @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 02:20:47 AM CST

[ Parent ]

My interpretation

I read the following:

"the need to exterminate pigs carrier of the virus and immediate transmission of the population within the bloc to the desert"

to mean: they need to cull the pigs which are carriers and immediately transport all the (now dead) pigs which were in the pens out to the desert (I assume to bury or burn them).

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by: Okieman @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 21:28:23 PM CST

[ Parent ]

hard to say

This sounds like they are saying that the tamiflu they have on hand is expired, and for that reason (or perhaps viral resistance?) the drug is failing to help cure the disease.

Of course if this is true, then the good news is that the negatives are probably real negatives rather than positives which are masked by tamiflu. The bad news is that if the disease has become tamiflu resistant (as was suspected/discovered by NAMRU3 last summer, I believe) then it is going to be harder to smother this current outbreak.

Since we don't know:

1) whether the virus is sensitive or resistant
2) whether the conventional doses are sufficient
3) whether they are using conventional or increased doses
4) whether the doses are being given early enough and for long enough

We already have lots of challenges trying to determine what the effects of tamiflu are on the outcomes of patients as well as transmission, before we even get into the expiry issue.  Hence there isn't anything unfortunately to guide us as to how much importance we should place on the expiry issue, and especially I want to point out that it's a bit of a stretch (in interpretation, nothing personal here, ok?) to use this as a possible sign of encouragement, that the negatives are probably true negatives, ie I wouldn't draw such an inference based on the expiry issue at all.

I would agree with Clawdia that expired tamiflu is probably the next best thing to unexpired tamiflu, on the grand scheme of things.  I am at this point assuming that the tamiflu they are giving out are close enough in effectiveness to the real thing, given the range of uncertainties with regards to efficacy (listed above).

My 2 C, just for perspective.



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...

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by: SusanC @ Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 16:30:55 PM CST

[ Parent ]

I am trying not to be sensitive, but....

It really seems like you jump on and negate my ideas out of hand to a much more frequent and greater degree than you do most anyone else. For example, in the above I'm merely exploring the meaning behind an actual news posting which seems to indicate Egypt's tamiflu might be expired, and you bring up a bunch of other points not really relevant to the particular issue  which is expired tamiflu. You then discredit even the idea of discussing the potential effects of expired tamiflu, saying there are lots of other challenges regarding the effects of tamiflu that are more important/should be explored before worrying about effects of its expiration. Great,maybe so...but the news article was talking about possibly expired tamiflu so that's what I was discussing. If it had been about the other things you mention, maybe I would have been exploring those ideas, but it wasn't so why should I.  As for my looking at this as a potentially encouraging sign, so what? I am not writing a thesis here, I am not publishing a research paper: I'm just looking at possibilities, and that was a possibility. You never never jump on anyone else in this manner and it has become quite hard not to take it personal, regardless of you saying I shouldn't or adding a smiley face at the end of your barbs.

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 00:56:43 AM CST

[ Parent ]

oh dear, I'm so sorry, you misunderstand ;-)

I wasn't jumping on you or anything.  I wasn't even negating or disagreeing with your thoughts.  I was only saying how there are many uncertainties so it's hard to say.

FWIW, I didn't (and don't) "discredit the idea of discussing the potential effects of expired tamiflu", because I do think it is a legitimate question, which was the reason why I posted a response.  What I meant, on the tamiflu issue, was from the information available, I'd tend to be a bit more conservative in drawing inferences, that's all.

I do agree with hindsight that recently you and I seem to be discussing quite a bit on virology and stuff, but that REALLY is only because you often ask really good questions or raise very pertinent points that are of interest to me.  ;-)  I would feel bad if you take it any other way, because I really DO think that you often ask great questions, even if we don't come to similar conclusions about them.  And I would hate for either one of us to think maybe there's something wrong when there isn't.  

We have a lot of great people on the forum, and depending on their interests some people are more often drawn to similar subjects/issues than others.  So apologies again if it came across in other ways than what I intended.  ;-)



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...

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by: SusanC @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 01:56:10 AM CST

[ Parent ]

EGYPT - 4 negs from Sohag(?)

Sounds like 4 negatives from Sohag(?).  (Nice to see that Egyptians, themselves, get confused by all the similar sounding village/town names -- it's not just us! ;-) )

Google-translated from Arabic:

DETECTIVES Sohag looking for infected by bird flu
Jan 7, 2008
Mahmoud Abdel Aal

Looking security organs governorate of Sohag from infected with avian influenza escaped yesterday from the hospital dietary, while maintaining health officials announced that four other people had proved their safety after the receipt of the Central Laboratory analysis Cairo.

The disappointing Ateeq Morgan, 23 years old, from the village of Jeridat, city centre, had escaped from the city General Hospital after raised panic among the residents and patients in the hospital, the other failed efforts to find security in the village after the discovery absence of a village name mentioned , as it continues to search in another village with a name similar Jeridat village.  The initial report of the infected may rise monitoring temperature and the presence of nominated and clear symptoms of infection by the disease.

http://www.elbadeel.net/index....

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 10:15:00 AM CST

EGYPT - 4 family members in Port Said test neg

Four family members in Port Said test neg.  Hat-tip, Helblindi!

Google-translated from Arabic:

In complete secrecy Reservation AIDS patient hospital dietary Port Said
06/01/2008

Wrote: Faten Charge:

(...)

On the other hand, the dietary management of the hospital had been detained in Port Said a family of Abdul Reza, who works plumber cars 25 years and his son, Reda Abdul Rajab located 4 years and the wife of his brother to allow Radwan 29 years homemaker and her son Mohammed Abdul Rajab 9 years, who all live in one house, Dr. Imad Eddin Mohamed Mir in Port Said Health Administration maintains that the family village south of Port Said Radwan and lived in the house of one family has used the poultry house and died when some birds have been taken Samples were taken and samples were sent to laboratories Cairo Central show negative tests and illness quelea birds and the family left the hospital to check on their house after its members were also surveyed the entire region and the surrounding areas to make sure the area is free of the disease.

http://www.portsaid-online.com...

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 11:48:17 AM CST

real brief - quite a find this thread

considerable banter between myself and another concerning the Egypt situation. I have posted a confirmed 19 deaths on Dec 31  2007 from Egyptian government statement. Reading this is pretty intense. I was beginning to feel like a person in 1918 Pandemic saying - I think we have a flu problem. Don't want to mess up your thread. Good work. Now the question - how to stop it. MC

Not if, but when - MC. 3/06

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by: medclinician @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 11:50:42 AM CST

Can you please provide a link to this government statement and/or your posting on it? n/t

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:32:47 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Link, or more information, please? n/t

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by: Clawdia @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 13:43:53 PM CST

[ Parent ]

I found this link

To the Egyptian State Information Service:

http://birdflu.sis.gov.eg/html...

However, it counts 19 deaths since March 2006.

Link posted on FLA_Medic's blog:
http://afludiary.blogspot.com/...

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by: Bronco Bill @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 14:29:41 PM CST

[ Parent ]

My count as well

It seems that 19 would refer to the number of deaths in Egypt from confirmed H5N1 since March, 06, not just during the current outbreak.

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by: Clawdia @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 17:02:24 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Help

Just logged on to post on the Egypt thread and I cannot access the Egypt thread, just the comment section.  Is anyone else having trouble??  Maybe they are creating a new thread, I noticed that sometimes happens.  Thanx.

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by: pugmom @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 21:03:37 PM CST

[ Parent ]

OK, I am on now/so more from Egypt

(looks like a few more from Qena--I think)

1-8-08 http://www.alkhaleej.ae/articl...

02:01 Last update 2008-01-08

7 detention of suspected cases of "bird flu" in Egypt  

...Detained by health authorities in Qena in southern Egypt seven people, including a child and five women, inside a hospital in the governorate of dietary suspicion of avian influenza illness. She said medical sources in the province that samples taken from seven persons, including two children of analysis and indicate whether they were infected with the disease or not....  

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by: pugmom @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 21:21:17 PM CST

Egypt/comments by "Specialists".

1-8-08  http://www.islamtoday.net/alba...

Egyptian specialists expressed fears of the disease turning "avian flu" in Egypt to the epidemic, after increasing incidence and death by, in the recent period, which constitutes a great danger to people living with the disease, at a time when observers indicates that the Egyptian government, the immediate plan to deal with the disease in case converted into an epidemic, on more than one level.
Meanwhile, health authorities detained in the governorate of Qena in southern Egypt seven people, including a child and five women, were in hospital in the governorate dietary and on suspicion of avian influenza illness. She said medical sources in the province today, Monday, that samples taken from seven persons, including two children of analysis and indicate whether knew infected with the disease or not......  

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by: pugmom @ Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 21:30:13 PM CST

Egypt/"Intensive Campaigns"

1-8-08  http://massai.ahram.org.eg/Ind...

Bmatarouh intensive campaigns to prevent the circulation of living birds
Matrouh Atef Almdjaawi

In the framework of an expanded campaign by Matrouh governorate to combat avian flu and protecting human influenza it is currently constituted campaigns of delegates from veterinary medicine and health, the environment and Supply and police facilities to eliminate the phenomenon of the sale and circulation of live birds shops and markets and the short sale only on poultry slaughtered in Public licensed and massacres that have already sure of their integrity veterinary confirmed Mr. Mohammed Shahat, who doubles as governor, raised the need to prevent the transfer of birds to maintain, and then to other provinces only after ascertaining by a veterinary medical teams to maintain entrances of those birds have a health certificate is negative for the presence of avian influenza preserve the health of citizens.

He added that the implementation of educational programmes at the level of intensive local radio Matrouh, mosques, churches and grass-roots organizations to warn of the dangers of bird flu and ways of prevention.

Dr. Nabil Abbas department Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health Bmatarouh that all hospitals and health units deployed to preserve willing to deal with cases where the disease infected been trained doctors and nursing bodies to detect the disease early and to take actions necessary medical treatment has been to provide medicines, immunizations and vaccines needed to deal with the disease.

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by: pugmom @ Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:08:21 AM CST

Egypt

(Are they moving them from the local hospitals to the Chest Hospitals?--if so, could be a sign that they are positive?)

1-8-08 http://www.masrawy.com/News/Eg...

....Maximum readiness to face the emergence of the disease comes at the time of the transfer of 17 cases to hospitals on suspicion of the safety of the disease in 3 provinces, where citizens have been moved 7 in the province of Beheira and transfer to the dietary 8 citizens in Qena to the hospital dietary Market General Hospital on suspicion sickened addition Reservation two in Sohag had one run away from the hospital.....  

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by: pugmom @ Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:13:53 AM CST

Qena

1-8-08 http://www.asharqalawsat.com/d...

Egypt: Transfer of eight people to the hospital on suspicion of bird flu infection

Prime Minister chaired a meeting today to follow up the spread of the disease

Cairo: Ahmed Abdel Rahman, Mohammad Mostafa
With the transfer of eight Egyptians, yesterday, to the hospital salt Qena on suspicion of avian influenza illness, The Higher Committee to address the bird flu meeting today «Tuesday», headed by Dr. Ahmed Nazif, the Prime Minister of Egypt to follow up position in the light of the return of the disease cases in poultry farms and domestic education and the re-emergence of some human casualties.
He was taken to hospital salt Qena, yesterday, both Mayada Abdel Fattah Abdel Hearing (13 months), and Fatima Yusuf Ahmed Abu Hassan (student AZHAR), and Hanan Ahmed Mahmoud (housewives) and Sadli Sayed Abdel Karim Younis (11 years old), Kenya Abulhasan (10 years old) and arrows (3 years old), located Mohammed Faris Abdul (12 years old) and Kawther Mohammed Ahmed Mustapha (housewives) on suspicion of illness bird flu symptoms after the emergence of some of them, while blood samples were taken and sent them to laboratories of the Ministry of Health for analysis , the statement sickened or not. On a related, The Higher Committee to address the bird flu meeting today «Tuesday», headed by Dr. Ahmed Nazif, the Egyptian Prime Minister, to follow up the position of the disease....    

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by: pugmom @ Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:27:05 AM CST

Theresa42 offline

My internet connection is down today so I'm not online (aaaargh). I'll be back as soon as my connection is back (whenever that'll be...).

Proud FAF-er.

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by: Theresa42 @ Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 08:01:41 AM CST

Michelle & Theresa42: You have mail.

Look over the spreadsheet I sent with changes to format and get back to me on it please. Thanks.

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 09:41:13 AM CST