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Flu Prep 26 (XXVI)

by: Bronco Bill

Fri Nov 24, 2006 at 22:47:00 PM EST

( - promoted by DemFromCT)

Flu Prep 26 (XXVI) here.

See below for helpful links

Bronco Bill :: Flu Prep 26 (XXVI)
General — for Newbies
Help! I Only Have 24hrs to Prep
Just Starting to Prep
"Master Prep List" by Owl
Preparing in Stages" by Eccles
Family and Individual Preparation

How Many Trips to Get Fully Prepped?

General — For Intermediate and Senior Preppers
Items That Will Be the Most Scarce
Minimalist Prep Ideas
Exotic Vs. Mundane Preparations
Inexpensive Non-perishable Preps
Preps You Might Forget | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |

Topping Off Your Preps
Contents of Bug-Out Bag
Practice Is Essential

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Flu Prep 26 (XXVI) | 88 comments
Eccles on Duty
Now that I am on the new forum, I am here and waiting for the discussions to begin!

Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.

Welcome Eccles!
I'm so glad to 'see' you here!

Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little- Edmund Burke

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Thank goodness, you're here, Eccles.
It's the equivalent of putting up the curtains in a new house. It makes it more home.

In memory of pogge: Peace, order and good government, eh?
[If we want it, we'll have to work at it.]

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Welcome Perfesser!
Glad to see you made it over to The Light Side!

Now if anyone has questions about Flugulators, Crank-Up Nuke Plants, Satellite Solar Arrays, and Saturnian Water Filters, we have someone who has all the answers! ;-)

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We needed an engineer!!!

Now that you're here, can you fix my watch? ;-)

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Engineer here.
Absolutely.  Let me just get out my 24 oz single hand sledge.  That's the one I use for fixing sensitive instruments.

Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.

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I love it!
I got a smaller one for recalibrating, but it doesn't always do the job. ;-)

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Hey Eccles!
Nice to see you here. Missed your posts. Thought you might find it interesting that I saw a whole house generator "The Guardian" displayed near the checkout aisles of my local Farm & Fleet today.

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Those are nice units.  They come in sizes up to Gigunda.  unfortunately, an impoverished Eccles such as myself must remain content with rolling out the portable and pluging it into the house when things go Kerfloooey (a technical term).

Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.

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Hey Prof, good to see you

You want perspective. I want perspective. Let's talk. We don't have to agree on every thing. If we do, one of us is redundant.

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Perhaps I should put this on the herbal rememdies thread, but I wanted to say Hi to Eccles and I did buy Airborne to prep for the flu, so.....

Has anyone else had any success with Airborne as a defense against viruses?

My initials do spell WIT, do they not?

Re: Airborne
I've had very little success with Airborne. Every time I've seen a virus on the kitchen counter, I've hit it as hard as I could with those little tablets, but they just 'splode into powder and the virus slithers back under the cabinets...!! ;-)

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Don't waste your money on Airborne
I used it last year and gave it to my kids before they went to daycare. Everyone was just as sick as usual and my pocketbook was much lighter. Vitamin C is probably just as good, and cheaper, IMHO.

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works for me
Sorry it didn't work for you but I've been using it for over a year and it stops my colds right in their tracks.  My MIL was visiting over Halloween and was coming down with something from her plane ride, she took airborne  every three hours for a day and felt great. I load up on it every time it goes on sale!

Not silver or sage, just a blend of colors!

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RE: Airborne tablets

I've never used them, nor have I ever looked at the box.  Could you tell me what is in the tablets, ingredients?
I am interested in hearing more about this product, as I watch the woman who created this product on "Big O"phra.:-)
many moons ago.

United we stand: Divided we fall

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airborne tablets
They are these huge tablets, couldn't swallow j/j,  that you drop in a glass of water like Alka Seltzer. 
17 herbs and vitamins. Echinecia (sp) too.
I took one last week and it cleared me up pretty good for the day but I am still stuck with this cold.

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Airborne ingredients
Could you tell me what is in the tablets, ingredients?

Vitamin A 5000 IU
Vitamin C 1000 mg
Vitamin E 30 IU
Riboflavin 2.8 mg
Magnesium 40 mg
Zinc 8 mg
Selenium 15 mcg
Manganese 3 mg
Potassium 75 mg
Herbal extracts (proprietary blend of Maltodextrin, Lonicera, Forsythia, Schizopeta, Ginger, Chinese Vitex, Isatis Root, Echinacea) 350 mg
Amino Acids (Glutamine & Lysine) 50 mg
Other ingredients: Citric Acid, Sodium Bicarbonate, Sorbitol, Potasium Bicarbonate, Orange flavor, Mineral Oil, Sucralose, Acesulfame Potassium

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Airborne tablets
Man, those Airborne things are hard to swallow!!

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Re: Airborne tablets
Hah!! Remember Fizzy's??

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Airborne debate
Thanks for the comments and opinions.  My DH works with someone who swears by it - says it has worked a number of times for her.  My oldest child is sick right now and last night, when I started getting a sore throat I took some Airborne and will take it again today.  I feel fine right now (and that is after helping my DH chase down one of our Labradors who decided to explore the neighborhood at 5:30am) 

My DH's grandmother had the flu in 1918.  I talked to my MIL about this and she said that her mother told her that she thought she would die, that it was the sickest she had ever been.  She was pregnant and was sure she would lose her baby at the very least.  Everyone was so scared of catching the flu, that no family members would come and take care of her.  People were dying much faster than they could bury them and bodies were piling up.  A lady came and brought her a tea made of herbs and she started to feel better.  This lady brought her the tea several times a day for several days and took care of her, as well as a number of other sick people in the area.  She drank the tea herself and never got sick.

So, I was thinking.....maybe some of the herbs in Airborne were in that tea? 

I'll let ya'll know if I catch what my oldest has got.  Airborne is expensive - I bought it at Sam's and I buy it when it is on sale.  I have not used it that much, but my DH thinks it works for him.

Thanks again for the feedback:)

My initials do spell WIT, do they not?

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Re: Airborne debate
Hey WIT!! It seems there's another product out there, very similar to Airborne, but I can't remember the name. When I had seasonal flu two  winters ago (twice, in fact, AFTER getting my flu shot!), DW bought either Airborne or this other one. Didn't seem too expensive--she bought it at Wal-Mart on sale...I think she said she paid about $5 for a roll of 10 or 12 tablets.

But still, to this day, I just can't seem to hit those little virii hard enough with the tablets... ;-)

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Maybe Emer'gen-C is the other product:

Vitamin C  1,000 mg
Thiamin  0.38 mg
Riboflavin  0.43 mg
Niacin  5 mg
Vitamin B6  10mg
Folic Acid  12.5 mcg
Vitamin B12  25 mcg
Pantothenic Acid 2.5 mg
Calcium  50 mg
Magnesium  60 mg
Zinc  2 mg
Manganese  0.5 mg
Chromium  10 mcg
Sodium  60 mg
Potassium  200 mg
Plant Sterols  400 mg
Lycopene  2  mg
Lecithin  200 mg
Alpha-Lipoic Acid  1 mg
Quercetin  1 mg

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Re: Emer'gen-C?
You got it! Thanks, Pixie...

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As you can all see Airborne has many items in the one pill. Some people call this kind of pill a "stacker" as the effects of one ingredient are suppose to stack upon the effects of the others. In reality, you just don't get enough of any one ingredient. If they put enough of each ingredient into the pill it would be ten times larger.

IMO - If your immune system is lacking in what it needs then give it what it needs. All the vitamins and minerals in airborne are useful for the immune system, but the product is missing vitamin E and Calcium. It will do you no good if either of these is what your system lacks. It will also not do much good if you don't get enough of what you need.

I can't speak about the herbs in the product. I can say that I have had limited success with green tea.

If you want a strong immune system:

1 drink lots of water, then drink more
2 eat a healthy diet
3 evaluate your diet for deficiencies then make-up the difference with supplements.

Are you eating dark green leafy vegetables? Iceberg lettuce just doesn't count.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.

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Airborne look-a-like
That would be Wal-borne. I bought exactly one tube of it and no more. I didn't like the taste and also didn't feel that it worked like Airborne.

IMHO, in order for Airborne to work, you must take it right when you get that "I'm not feeling quite right" state. If you start it later, it just doesn't work that well. I take 1 tablet of Airborne with 2 packets of Emergen-C every 4 hours and have never had to take more than 4-5 doses to stop a cold.

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I've had about 50/50 with it.  I think it does help lessen the severity of a cold, probably because if you follow the directions you are drinking tons of water which helps you feel better.  I only get the orange flavor, and it tastes better on ice vs room temp (blech!)

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Re: Airborne
...or better on ice cream! ;-)

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I like the gummy lozenges better than the fizzy water.
Can't say if it really works, but it's soothing.  Also Cold-eez zinc lozenges might make a difference.  (What I really should do, is stop reading so late into the night.  :)  )

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

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Re: Prepping Lists and Tips
Hi Irene---wondering if maybe these links might be better found in their own diary? You've put a lot of work into them, so no biggy...

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can't copy
Since the html list I created is not an initial comment in this diary, I can't place the comment in modify mode to copy the html code into my clipboard for placement elsewhere.

If you are able to do that, perhaps you could add the code to your initial comment in this thread? That way it is not "buried".

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HTML source code
Hi Irene - Not sure if you've seen it but MaMa has a great tip for here for retrieving HTML source code from a web page:


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better explained. ;-)

People around here are so helpful!

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I added it to this diary
If you want access to it, irene, I can add it to one of your diaries.

If you have Firefox 2.0 as a browser, btw, you can outline anything here as if you were copy-and-pasting, click the right  mouse button, look under View Selection source and see and copy the raw code. Good way to capture other people's HTML tricks.  ;-)

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good tip!
I use IE but I have Firefox installed on my computer as a back up.

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Re: can't copy
Actually, if you haven't done it yet, don't copy it over. It works better at the top of the page where it is now...not buried. I dunno how it got up there, but it's perfect! :-)

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The best flu prep ever
Thanks folks, the comments were just what I needed.  I've found the new to be different and therefore not as comfortable.  Coming here was work, the price of new and change.  But the arrival of Eccles brightened my day and then the chuckles.  I sat here and LOL.  Felt really good.  Thanks.  And I am getting better at finding what I wanted here.  Practice, practice, practice.  Ugh.

Re: Practice, practice, practice. Ugh.
This is why the only musical instrument I ever learned to play well was my old 8-track stereo system! ;-)

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I'm with you quilter
I go away for vacation and this is what I come home to?  Will take some getting used to, but thanks mods for all the hard work!

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Brightening the day
Of course my arrival would brighten any day, what with all of those wind up, rechargeable nuclearized flashlight things hanging from my lapels, belt and bandoleer strap.

Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.

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Prepping Diaries
This diary contains a links to all diaries that have been created on the subject of personal prepping:


My friend was talking about a small heater called a "Buddy" I think.  How good is it and what's it like?  I just don't want to buy a generator.

Buddy heater
The Buddy heater is an accessory which is of great use, as long as you understand its limitations.  There are actually two models, one which attaches to a single 1 Lb. Propane cylinder (The Buddy), and one which attaches to two at once (The Big Buddy).

The major difference betwen the two is how much heat it produces, and for how long the heater will operate.

I personally own the smaller Buddy.  Using that one as an example, the heat output which it can produce is either 4000 or 9000 BTU/hr.  At the low setting, you can expect to get about 5-6 hours of operation from a 1 Lb cylinder.  At the higher setting, you can expect to get about 2-1/2 to 3 hours.

The Big Buddy, because it allows for two tanks to be attached at once provides an additional output level of 18,000 BTU/hr.

Realize from my descriptions above that if you use 1 Lb cylinders, you will need to either have a great many of them on hand, a special accessory hose that allows you to attach to a 20 Lb barbeque tank, or else a special fitting which allows you to refill the cylinders from a 20 or 40 pound tank.

If you are unfamiliar with BTU heat ratings, the heat output at the 4000 BTU setting would be roughly the equivalent of a 1000 watt oil filled heater or a 1000 watt electric baseboard heater.  Thus, it could probably heat one single room on that setting for the better part of a day if you didn't insist on keeping things very warm, and only ran it when necessary. (You need to be careful to allow some air into the room to prevent burning up all of the oxygen)

You can also see that the higher settings will heat correspondingly larger areas.  The problem being that as the heat output goes up, the fuel consumption does too.

Again, just so you can estimate tings, a 1 Lb propane cylinder contains roughly 23,000 BTU's of heat.  You can use them fast or slow, but that is what is in the can.

If you have specific other questions, please just ask.  I'll try to figure this new fangled forum out so that I can see if you ask more or not.  All of these technological things confuse me, you know.

Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.

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yeah right....
"All of these technological things confuse me, you know."

If anybody believes that, I have some prime farmland for them here in Appalachia.  Ninety beautiful acres packed into a 50 acre footprint with lovely orange colored water.

"Mr. Peabody's coal train done hauled it away....."

If I had done this on my own, I would have done most of it incorrectly.

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I might be interested in that property for SIP
HBB---does that downsized 90 acres include the old covered bridge that leads to the end of the rainbow?

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Mr. Peabody's Coal train
I actually heard John Prine perform that live about 28 years ago.  He was "impaired" at the time, and while the stage kept staggering around him, he didn't miss a beat or a word.

Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.

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Buhlenberg County
Ahhhh...John Prine, one of my favorites!  Who can forget such classics as:  "There's a hole in Daddy's arm where all the money goes."

Actually the Buhlenberg County song refers to Kentucky if memory serves orrectly, but Mountain Top removal is Mountain Top removal no matter where it happens.

The 90 acres in a 50 acre footprint refers to the steep ridges in parts of Appalachia.  I have a friend who lived in Southern WV and his kids never learned to ride a bicycle until they moved to NC.  They also did not play with any balls because if they laid it down it didn't stop rolling until it got to the Big Coal river at the bottom of the holler.

If I had done this on my own, I would have done most of it incorrectly.

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50/90 acres
I figured you were referring to very hilly terrain.  Since the area of a lot is calculated based on the "map" area (i.e. flat projection) of the parcel, If you have enough up and down, the actual surface area within the lot can greatly exceed the surveyed size.

Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.

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Help me please!
This is my first time posting on this new forum, and I've only got an hour or two of exploring this new site under my belt, so please have patience with me.

I got this far by seeing eccles post at 07:35 about 50/90 acres over on the left side of the main page, I think under "recent comments". I clicked on that and it brought me to where I could read his entire comment. Then I clicked on the name of the diary/thread that appeared with his post (flu prep no. ???) to see the context of what he was talking about.

Guess I'm stupid because I can't see where eccles particluar comment is anywhere in that thread, or any other reference to 50/90 acres.

What am I doing wrong?

PS-I hope I can somehow figure out how to maneuver back to this so I can see the answer to my problem :-(

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Re: Help me please!
Kim---you're not stupid. This format just takes a bit of getting used to! ;-)

Then I clicked on the name of the diary/thread that appeared with his post (flu prep no. ???) to see the context of what he was talking about.

Once you clicked on the name of the diary, it took you to the top (first) post/comment in the diary. You can scroll down through the page, or (if you're using a PC) hold down the CTRL key and hit the letter F. That will open a search box, and you can type in 'Eccles' or '50' or whatever you're looking for.

You can also go to Kim's page in the upper left Menu box, and click on Comments. That will list all the comments you've made. Recent Replies will take you to a list of everybody who has replied to your posts.

Hope this helps...and welcome!

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By the way
Great to see you posting again Eccles.  I have missed you and I'm sure others have as well.

If I had done this on my own, I would have done most of it incorrectly.

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Sorry for the late response.  Thanks for taking the time to explain all that!  I'm definitely getting the smaller Buddy for myself.  I remember when I was young having a big snow storm and the power was out for 11 days.  My parents heated the kitchen with the natural gas oven, but I don't have that option.  I think I'll try for a two week supply.  I've been worrying about this for a while now.

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Two week heating fuel supply

You need to work out in advance just how much gas that means, and how and in what form you are going to store it.

For instance, if you ran the heater at full output, 24 hours per day, it would require 140 1 Lb cyclinders to run for 2 weeks.  Or, alternatively, it would need 7 barbeque sized tanks.

If, on the other hand, you ran it at low output, and only for half of the hours in a day, and coasted the rest of the time, making use of sunlight to keep things a little warmer during the daylight ours, you might get away with as little as 28 1 Lb cylinders, or just 1 and a fraction barbeque sized tank.

Obviously, in either situation, you are not going to keep the entire house operational.  Just a survival area for the family to stay and shelter from the cold.  You also need to be aware of the probability of pipes freezing under those circumstances and make prior plans to handle the plumbing issues as well.

You should take the time to think the heater, its capabilities and your demands on it through so that in the event of an emergency situation, you aren't stranded.

Take it from me, most of us who have had "SIP Drills" have come away with the realization that we were woefully underprepared, regardless of how generous we thought our plans were initially.

Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.

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Thanks guys!
Great to see Eccles, Hillbilly Bill and Bronco Bill yakking it up again.

RE: help me
the post your looking for is just under the one I posted for todays news.

United we stand: Divided we fall

RE:please help me from Kim
I did exactly what you did, and I did see the post. I had to scroll down a bit, but it's there, under the flu Prep link.
Not too sure exactly what your needing, but will try to help.

United we stand: Divided we fall

I may see part of my problem...
Well I'm still playing with this thing trying to get it all figured out. I had my preferences set for "flat threaded", which seems to make a disorganized, jumbled mess of the posts. I've set it now to "flat unthreaded" which at least seems to put the posts in some kind of order. After I have plenty more caffeine, I'll come back and play with all this some more and see if I can do a little better. Thanks eveyone!

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RE: I see part of my problem from KIM
I glad to see you making an effort.  Please keep trying.  You will get the hang of it. I promise.  I'm as stupid as they come with all this computer stuff, and I've got it, enough to serve my needs here, and play to figure more out. 
Hang in there!!

United we stand: Divided we fall

a discouraging conversation, but a good tip
An old friend who lives in a neighboring state stopped by for a visit this weekend.  He is a long-time friend that goes all the way back to junior high school.  After some catching up, I brought up the subject of pandemic flu and was disappointed to find that he considered it all scaremongering by the media.  I replied that I thought the media was not giving the situation enough coverage and we continued to disagree from there. 

He has always been a prepper and says that he worries more about North Korea and an EMP bomb bringing our society down.  He has plans to head back here to his parent's house if TSHTF in one way or another.  I talked about some of the "get out of the city" discussions on fluwiki and also mentioned triaging cities which he also disagreed with.  However he did have a valuable tip which I have not seen posted.

In the event he is unable to continue traveling by car his plan is to strike out cross country for the nearest electric line or gas line right-of-way.  These are kept clear and would be safer than traveling along roadways.  Also, many of the gas line right-of-ways have bridges over rivers and streams.  He has aerial maps showing the right-of-ways in the areas he most lilely would be traveling.  I thought this was worth passing along to those who will need to bug out to a safer location.

If I had done this on my own, I would have done most of it incorrectly.

RE: Power Line Travel
It may seem like a good idea to travel along these easements, but power lines, gas lines, etc. cross private property. Like mine! You would have to walk several acres across my property (within view of my house) to follow the power lines, and tresspassers are never appreciated and in certain situations, won't be tolerated. All I can say is fair warning to those that would try this. I think it would actually be safer to stick to the back roads than tresspassing. We have a sign on our property, that started out as a joke that says, "Tresspassers will be Killed." Well, you can see where I am going with this...

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good point
That is a consideration for sure.  However, one would hope that property owners would initiate some dialogue before opening fire.  The fact that one was just passing through should be cause to let them proceed unharmed.

If I had done this on my own, I would have done most of it incorrectly.

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power line travel..
Well, I guess a lot would depend on the situation. Purely hypothetical: If the last people that had tried to cross the property had run out of food and water two days before trying to cross our property, and had seen our house, and could smell food cooking, they might be tempted to take our provisions, or kill one of my farm animals to eat. We might have had to defend it. If it had already happened once, you might not be very patient to find out the next person's intentions. See my point? 

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electric transmission lines
First time trying this new thing out - here goes

When you mention electric line right of ways - I'm assuming you mean for transmission lines? At least here in upstate NY, many of the transmission line right of ways are quite overgrown with brush and grasses.  It would be challenging to follow in many places.

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RE alternate roads or paths
That is an excellent concept that I can adapt to my situation. Western Colorado relies heavily on agricultural irrigation. Those irrigation canals &/or pipelines have roads along them for the "ditch rider" to travel during his daily rounds. Smaller operations have their ditches crossing private land but larger canals have dedicated roads that are not on private property.
After reading your post, I realized that I can travel from my home to my parents' home by getting on the ditch road nearest my home, take it up to where it nearly meets another ditch road, cross the railroad tracks to that road, and take that ditch road on up to my parents' home -- it borders the back of their 5-acre property.
Thanks for the idea.

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cooking tip
My DW is a huge Rachel Ray fan and she called me into the TV room to watch a segment of one of the shows she had recorded.  A guest on the show demonstrated how she cooked items in freezer bags dropped in a pot of boiling water.  She made an omelet and also a cake which both looked quite good.  She uses this technique when camping to save on cleanup, but it could also have applications for SIP.  She said that the only precaution was to ocassionally check the bag so make sure it does not get stuck to the side of the hot pan.  She just dumped the ingredients in an appropriately sized bag, mushed it together to mix everything up, squeezed any air out, and dropped it in a pan of hot water.

If I had done this on my own, I would have done most of it incorrectly.

Re; cooking tip
This is an excellent tip.
We used to make individual omelettes that way after chasing hot-air ballons on the Left Coast.
During tail-gating parties, we'd have a huge (about 5-gallon) pot of boiling water, everybody would get a quart-size Zip-Loc bag, and they'd walk along the table and fill it with a couple of eggs and the fixin's they wanted. Seal the bag, write your name on it a Sharpie marker, and hand it to the "cook". 10 minutes later and there's breakfast. Of course, the Mimosas were a required part of breakfast!! ;-)

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big in the 70's!
This boil'n-bag technique was big in the 70's.  The frozen food manufacturers really ran with it, and it was marketed to women (who were short of time since many of them had entered the workforce then too) as a real time saver and an antidote to kitchen drudgery.  The kids suffered.  I was one of them.  Here is my story of woe.

Unfortunately, my mother fully embraced the boil'n-bag era and philosophy.  While she was a terrific cook, we never again got a from-scratch meal while boil'n-bags reigned except for the holidays.  Women were finally freed from "kitchen drudgery" and cooking became as nearly as simple as it was on the Starship Enterprise. 

Finally, microwave ovens were created and pots of boiling water took more time than nuking the same types of things in plastic in the oven.  Also, the Martha Stewart phenomenon was born, and with it even the most time-pressed woman became ashamed to prepare her green beans via boil'n-bag (they now had to be baby French green beans, with sliced almonds, in a light butter sauce). 

I suppose we can bring back boil'n-bags for a pandemic emergency - that idea should work fine - but ONLY for that reason!  (You can see I have very strong feelings about this subject).  :-)

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Oh I remember those bags well...
But could you do the same thing with Food Saver bags?  Not sure if they can handle the heat or not, but it would be a good way to prep lots of veggies then pack them off for individual servings.  More to experiment with when I find a free moment... which seems to be never these days.  Prepping has definitely taken a back burner to home repairs, x-mas shoppping, etc.  I guess I know what I'll be doing after Santa visits.

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It is better to look ahead and prepare than to look back and regret.

I feel the same say. That is perhaps my biggest "turn off" (along with too many click to do anything.  The recent comment list is very choppy and no times.

I still don't see the need for three columns on most pages when two will work.

Be Prepared

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just hit parent when you get there
or, if you hate it, change your comment prefs, to flat, threaded.

ut's on your personal page > profile > comment pref

and pull down the menu.

Save the page before you leave.

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just hit 'parent' if that happens
and the problem goes away. ;-)

try it.

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I was raised not to hit my parents.
It causes more problems.

To calm the wife buy cases of chocolate, to calm the husband buy cases of booze, and to calm the children...... heck the booze and chocolate should work.

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Boil in bag cooking...
I store cooked food, as well as raw, in freezer ziplock bags.  I don't try to squeeze the air out ever.  What I do is fill a big pot with water, or you could fill your sink.  Zip the filled bag mostly closed, leaving a small opening.  Dip the bag into the water up to the zip closure.  The water pressure will force out the air surrounding the food, and give you a better result than trying to squeeze out the air, without crushing the food in any way.  Then finish zipping the bag closed while the bag is still in the water.

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Great Idea! I learned a new trick. n/t

To calm the wife buy cases of chocolate, to calm the husband buy cases of booze, and to calm the children...... heck the booze and chocolate should work.

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24 Hrs No Electricity or Water Trial
Cindy started a thread in the old forum describing her test run yesterday of living without electricty or water. I'm copying the her first post below but the thread is on-going and well worth a read over there:

Cinda — 03 December 2006, 00:29

I think we used to have a thread for trial runs, but I couldn’t find it.

From 1900hrs last night to 1900hrs tonight I did my first trial SIP situation w/ no electric in my home. I did leave it all on and running, but I did not use anything electric- even turned the electric clocks around and covered the stove and microwave clocks. I found very quickly that I had to tape the light switch for the pantry as it seems to be one connected move to open the door while switching on the light. No slips in any other room.

I did it this weekend because Husband is off hunting and I wanted to explore MY jobs without having to deal with him fussing about no TV or whatever.

I am exhausted. I learned A LOT.

My little trial allowed for the following given circumstances

1 Town water is still running

2 The home is prepared with food and other necessary items for long term SIP

3 The home was already in a state of readiness. We all know what that entails.

1900hrs lights out,it was full dark.Found the flashlight- got the Aladdin Genie lamp out. Realized I forgot how it works! But I knew where the directions were. Got that going. Were Husband home and this were real he would have started on the generator stuff and gone out to bring in the extra propane tanks to the garage and the gas cans to their special storage near the generator and all that man-stuff, his jobs. I made some notes and headed for bed. I think TV keeps your mind stimulated so it’s harder to go to sleep. I crawled into bed with my Aladdin Lamp and a crossword puzzle at 2000hrs and was turning off the lamp within 1/2 hour. Usually it takes me almost an hour of reading. Woke up as it was getting light. Thought about what I wanted to accomplish today. I got about half the things on my list done. I never stopped moving till dinner but for the time it took me to eat a tuna sandwich made with small mayo packets - no elec = no refigeration= bad mayo. If it were winter I might open a small jar and keep it in the garage.

Any way- I’m exhausted. I learned A LOT.

The biggest thing I learned was that I had NO idea how much water we use each day. I filled all my biggest pans and a 5 gallon container last night. 1st thing this morning I boiled a full kettle and poured it into 2 thermoses and made a cup of tea in an insulated travel mug. Can’t nuke cold tea with no elec. We need more travel mugs. We need more thermoses. We’ll need a LOT of water. The wash took up almost all the rest. We’ve got a 2 barrel roof collection set up, but it’ll need to be cleaned out and refitted with new screens to keep the yuccky stuff out. Fine if it rains- but what if it doesn’t. That one needs some serious thought. Can’t depend that the generators at the pump station will stay running

Then I decided to test my little Wonder washer. It works very very well, it takes more water than I expected, and the whole process was time consuming- but my white wash came out whiter than with my regular washer. I imagine as I get used to it it’ll be faster. I’m thinking a small wash each morning should keep up with most of it. My favorite discovery from today was laundry related. Know how when you do a hand wash and have to wring out all the clothes and they’re still soaked and it makes your hands hurt? I have 2 words - SALAD SPINNER! Mine is sort of mid sized and was pretty cheap but you wouldn’t believe how much water I got out of the clothes. I’ll be buying the biggest one I can find thats good quality. Hung out clothes- lots of wind and some sunshine- they smelled great.

There wasn’t enough sun to heat the solar shower- so I heated water and filled one. Bathing will be a bit of a chore in the winter. In the summer we can hang them on the roof over the outdoor shower and be fine- I managed to rig one up on the indoor shower nozzel. I don’t think thats a good idea though as 5 gallons of water is pretty heavy. Big blue rubbermaid tote became a tub to kneel in and wash. The hardest part was the hair. I’ll get the hang of it. But it won’t get washed every single day.

Dinner was a Dak canned ham with canned pineapple and baked beans with just-add-water-mix bisquits. Had my husbands cousin’s wife and baby over from next door. Dinner conversation was, If this- then that.. to do with SIP. The bisquits baked in my little coleman camp oven on the double propane burner in the garage. Don’t need to get the temp as high as the directions say. Ham and pineapple went ito a 6qt Lodge dutch oven and was ready to eat in 15 min. Takes longer than that in my electric oven-so I’ll be doing it this way from now on. Must be something about the way the iron conducts heat.

Had to draw more water for the dishes.Heated it and did them in a large pan in minimal water. (Kept some clean for rinse) Lights on @ 1900hr tonight.


We need to do more, longer, trials.

We need a lot of water -maybe a large tank in the basement?

Need to plan simple meals that won’t leave leftovers in warm weather.

Milk will be an issue in warm weather. I didn’t have any last night or today and I’m a milk drinker. I missed it.

Laundry will be a real P.I.T.A chore.

Winter bathing will be chilly and take some getting used to.

There will be plenty to do each day. We will become stronger doing daily chores like laundry, gardening, foraging, hunting, hauling water, wood, coal. Sweeping and beating carpets. Struggeling a quilt over the clothes line to air it. Making bread, hefting iron cooking pots. We’ll actually be tired at the end of the day, physically, not just mentally.

I think we will have real trouble adjusting to no television or internet. We have games and books and hobbie stuff, but we’ll miss watching some shows and having instant info at hand 24/7.

Husband called and after I filled him in he said he wants to do this the next weekend we are both home and I am not working. He has his jobs to work out too.

Use a mop bucket "wringer" for laundery
My wife picked up a used mop bucket at a garage sale for a dollar or two.  It is the type which has a place to put the mop, pull the handle down and squeeze the water out.  For clothes she intends to hand wash in the bucket then squeeze the water out by pulling on the handle before hanging them on the clothesline.  Won't be fun I'm sure, but should be fairly efficient.

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in the dark
I have a friend that works for Virginia Power.  He started out as a meter reader, but got promoted to collections, a dubious promotion in my opinion.  He is the guy that comes to your house and gives you one last chance to come up with what's owed or he pulls your meter.  The company policy is that if he gets verbally abused, he doesn't have to accept the money even if you have it, he just pulls the meter and drives away.  The people he works with refer to it as "putting you in the dark".  When he told me that, I said that I would think not having your refrigerator or TV working is worse than having no lights.  He replied that maybe for a little bit that is the case, but soon having no light becomes the main point of concern.

The whole point of this is that as bad as no refrigeration, information, or even heat would be, being in the dark is worse.  The first item I addressed when I started prepping was alternative light, and I haven't stopped yet.  I have a variety of flashlights and room lights and rechargeable batteries to fit them, as well as a way to recharge the batteries.  I have several rechargeable camping lanterns and a selection of kerosene lanterns along with fuel and spare parts.  I have about a bazillion candles and the supplies to make more if need be.  If you think you have alternative lighting covered, give it a test to make sure.  You don't want to be in the dark.

If I had done this on my own, I would have done most of it incorrectly.

Free Firewood
This comment was posted by gardner in a couple of other diaries - thought it would be 'useful' here too ;-)

free firewood (0.00 / 0) 
I posted this as part of a comment elsewhere (on the composting toilets diary, if you really want to know), but thought it might be useful here as well.
If you live anywhere near the country and can find a sawmill in your area, see if they have a junk pile you can take things from. There's one near where I am that has a large pile of bits and scraps. It's mostly oak and other hardwoods, not dried at all yet, often cut into fireplace-sized pieces. One year I got a good amount of this. It was free (just trash from the point-of-view of the sawmill), and after a year of drying it was fantastic firewood, particularly for starting up a fire. 

by: gardner @ Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 23:37:49 PM EST

Eat pudding first - who know's what might happen next! - Anon

Empty pillows
My local Dollar Chain has nice-looking throw cushion covers for a buck. One is supposed to slip in a foam square or worn pillow and zipper it closed, but I'm going to pop in rice bags. (s) Good storage and hidden in plain sight!

Hey, that's a good idea! n/t

In memory of pogge: Peace, order and good government, eh?
[If we want it, we'll have to work at it.]

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Shelf Stable Gouda Cheese in Maine
Right now - Shaws in Lewiston Maine has roughly 375 units of shelf stable Gouda cheese 1lb units 3.99 each. They have an exp date of 10/07 ( but we all know that's just a guideline) That price is in line with the cheese we got from MRE depot and would be a nice change. BBs RWFK and some homemade crackers (from the recipe files) with gouda by the light of an oil lamp anyone?

This month's preps
I loved these threads from the old site and have them all printed up and read them as my bedtime reading. I am always finding tips and ideas in them that i had forgotten to get to, or want to do, etc... so, here's hoping others would like to resurrect this open community diary..

Our big purchases this month was my first ever pressure cooker. I got the duo set from online that was recommended by cooks magazine last year to be the best all around pressure cooker. it is by fagor. they are having a rebate right now also, so i can send in for their multipot set (which i need also). I am pleasantly surprised by the quality.  I have a chicken thawing right now to cook in it for dinner tonight to see how it goes. We decided to include this on our prep list because it can save significantly on fuel later, especially since our food preps are heavy on rice and beans. 

We also got a small kerosene heater. We have a large one but it uses a lot of kerosene and with two little ones, we think a smaller one will be easier to barricade.. if need be, we can block off two or three rooms and heat with just the kerosene heater very well. We had been discussing having a propane stove installed (and maybe some day) but the cost seems a tad prohibitive right now. maybe next winter if we are lucky enough to make it to then.

Still on the cooking/heating thread, we also have two of the stanley thermoses coming and we have a single burner coleman duel fuel stove... that about wiped out all of the funds for this month and next month. We already have a little coleman grill as well as a larger propane grill... just tring to round out our options...

Food wise-- picked up another case of chef boyardee at 1.00 each per can, 8 cans of hearty soup at 1.25 each and 5 more pounds of assorted lentils and chickpeas from the Indian grocery...

How is everyone else's prepping going?

Thanks for reviving this
I missed these too!  Prepping has taken a bit of a back seat to other things lately, financially and time wise.  I did sort through all the food stuffs I have and re-assesed how much more I need (A LOT MORE!).  I just dropped a large donation to the food bank of goods that will expire soon.  I felt great when the lady said she was calling a family right away and they'd get everything by that night.  Glad it will go to good use.  So, besides food, I still need water barrels, another heat source (maybe Buddy?) a camping stove (I figure stores will start stocking camping goods soon) a large water filtration system, plus lots of other gadgets I just don't have the money for right now.  I did get a pressure cooker and a bread maker for x-mas! :)

Another free wood source - they have been trimming trees all over our town lately.  One crew cuts and leaves everything then another comes a few days later to chip it all.  I've been heaving all kinds of stuff into the back of my SUV.  My kids think I'm certifiable!

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I've put up a Weekly Prep thread,
so I'm going to link the two threads back and forth so nobody misses anything. :)

In memory of pogge: Peace, order and good government, eh?
[If we want it, we'll have to work at it.]

I just forgot one little detail. Here's the link...
to the Weekly Prep thread:



In memory of pogge: Peace, order and good government, eh?
[If we want it, we'll have to work at it.]

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That's the Indonesia thread 8^) n/t

To calm the wife buy cases of chocolate, to calm the husband buy cases of booze, and to calm the children...... heck the booze and chocolate should work.

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Oops! See why I need the titles in the title bar?
Sorry about that. I really thought I had the preps thread up. Try this one:


In memory of pogge: Peace, order and good government, eh?
[If we want it, we'll have to work at it.]

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