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Adjuvants, Autoimmunity, and Vaccine Safety in a Pandemic V - Insights from Immunology

by: SusanC

Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 21:29:49 PM EST


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Today and tomorrow, there's a meeting of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee at the FDA.   Day 2 of the meeting deals with Clinical Studies With Pandemic Influenza Candidate Vaccines in the Pediatric Population in the Absence of an Influenza Pandemic.  Briefing information is available here.  

SusanC :: Adjuvants, Autoimmunity, and Vaccine Safety in a Pandemic V - Insights from Immunology
2 vaccine manufacturers, Novartis and GSK, will be presenting.  These 2 companies both have pandemic and/or prepandemic vaccine candidates, adjuvanted with MF59 and AS03 respectively, in the pipeline getting ready to file a BLA in 2009, a crucial step in the last stages towards licensure.  

Here are a few salient points from the FDA briefing document:

  • Several candidate pandemic influenza vaccines are actively being studied in clinical trials, and the issue has arisen as to whether there is a need, or the extent to which there is a need, to study these vaccines in the pediatric population prior to the emergence of a pandemic strain.

  • Sponsors of new vaccines to prevent influenza caused by pandemic strains have submitted proposals to FDA for studying these vaccines in clinical trials both in adults as well as the pediatric population.

  • Some of the pandemic influenza vaccine candidates currently in development have made use of novel adjuvants, including MF-59 and other oil-in-water emulsions

  • Although published data derived from clinical trials using these novel adjuvants have not identified serious safety issues6, theoretical safety concerns have been raised, such as the possibility that non-specific, self-directed immune responses might be stimulated using novel adjuvants.

  • If clinical studies in children are considered essential to pandemic preparedness, additional studies may be needed as avian strains drift and as other subtypes become the focus of pandemic concerns. Multiple vaccine manufacturers are pursuing licensure of different formulations of pandemic influenza vaccines.  Consequently, substantial numbers of children may be enrolled in these vaccine trials over the years.


"substantial numbers of children may be enrolled"
 Quite.  Substantial numbers of children may be affected. Substantial numbers of children may be given these adjuvanted vaccines in the near future. We already know that people can suffer serious consequences from vaccine trials, even if they were given 'placebo', as discussed previously.  So, yes, it would be prudent to examine safety issues before we start giving such substances to kids.

I'm not going to prejudge the outcome of this meeting by discussing pediatric clinical trials.  Rather, let me share some developments and observations in addition to what's already been written in earlier parts of this series.  As usual, this is just my attempt to make some sense of the issues, ie these are more like questions than answers, by no means authoritative or complete.  

In Dec of last year, the FDA and NIAID co-sponsored a meeting  Adjuvants and Adjuvanted Preventative and Therapeutic Vaccines for Infectious Disease Indications (transcripts and slides from link), bringing together 2 very different perspectives on the safety of adjuvants - from those who work on molecular biology and immunology, and those who work on vaccine research.  Last month, I was at the Phacilitate Vaccine Forum Washington 2009 during which some vigorous debate took place over the safety of adjuvants and the way forward, partly a fallout from the new understandings that emerged from the December meeting.  

I have written before about the glaring absence of published preclinical data on the safety of MF59.  I thought I was remiss in not being able to find them, but a recent review from Novartis, Safety of MF59™ adjuvant (Schultze 2008), stated

Several publications describe the enhancement of immunogenicity of a variety of antigens adjuvanted with MF59TM in animals [33,28-30,11], whereas the results of Novartis' GLP toxicology studies performed to fulfil global health authority requirements for clinical testing or product approvals have not been published, to date.

So, I wasn't THAT clueless, after all!  LOL!

However, I did find a very interesting paper by scientists from Chiron (before it became Novartis) on possible mechanism of action of MF59, Immunization with the adjuvant MF59 induces macrophage trafficking and apoptosis (Dupuis 2001)  This is an excellent study of what happens in muscles and lymph nodes, when MF59 is injected into mice.  There are a number of findings: how MF59 triggers a series of immune reactions, with release of various chemokines and activation of various cells, which then migrate to the lymph nodes to promote enhanced immune response.  This is consistent with what was presented at the FDA/NIAID adjuvant meeting in December, by Derek O'Hagan, an adjuvant expert from Novartis, who ended the part of his talk on MF59 mechanisms of actions with this brief summary(p116)

And this is what we think is going on in terms of the immune stimulator environment in the muscle, the release of chemokines, the recruitment of lots of cells, the activation of those cells, and then moving off to the lymph nodes to promote the immune response.

What happens AFTER these cells move on to the lymph nodes, O'Hagan did not say, but the authors of the Dupuis paper did go on to investigate this crucial aspect.  Using Annexin V imaging, a well-established technique for evaluation of apoptosis, they found that

It is clear from annexin-binding experiments that the vast majority of MF59-containing mononuclear cells found in the draining node are apoptotic.  TUNEL staining data show that apoptosis in the draining node is clearly increased after administration of MF59 with significant numbers of apoptotic bodies in the paracortex.

So what is apoptosis? To understand that let's back up to the big picture. Our immune system is designed to respond to all sorts of antigens.  Normally it is able to distinguish between what is self and non-self, so that it will not attack our own cells.  This is called tolerance.  Failure in tolerance (eg when the system is overwhelmed by too much autoantigens) results in attacks on our own normal cells, causing autoimmune diseases.  Also, in general, our immune system does not react to antigens from the intracellular compartment - one might think of the cell membrane as a barrier that stops immune cells from attacking, say DNA or RNA molecules, or parts of mitochondria , all normally safely tucked away inside the cell membrane.

But what happens when cell membranes break down? Our body is constantly renewing itself - cells die and new ones arise as a matter of routine.  If, when cells die, their membranes break down haphazardly, then the contents of those cells will become antigens to the immune system, which will mobilize against them.  This is indeed what happens in necrosis, a disorderly and traumatic kind of cell death which results in inflammation.  Even though inflammation is a protective mechanism, too much inflammation is damaging, especially if it is triggered in even normal processes of cell renewal.

Enter apoptosis, or 'programmed cell death'.  In apoptosis, the cell membrane does not break down.  Instead changes occur such that some molecules (eg phosphatidyl serine, or PS) that are normally present on the INSIDE of the cell membrane become exposed.  As this excerpt from wikipedia says:

These molecules mark the cell for phagocytosis by cells possessing the appropriate receptors, such as macrophages.[34] Upon recognition, the phagocyte reorganizes its cytoskeleton for engulfment of the cell. The removal of dying cells by phagocytes occurs in an orderly manner without eliciting an inflammatory response.

So, apoptosis is good, right?  Well, not quite.  There is now a ton of research on the relationship between apoptosis, tolerance and autoimmunity.  Most reviews, like this one, and this one (both free) suggest that inability to clear apoptotic cells is a major mechanism for systemic autoimmune diseases such as lupus, such that excessive apoptosis in those with genetic predisposition may result in loss of tolerance that starts the spiral into actual disease.  According to this paper in  Nature Reviews Immunology

the final disease phenotype is probably the result of many interactions arising from an initial loss of peripheral tolerance followed by the amplification of specific autoimmune responses.

The key word here is peripheral.  Whereas it was previously believed that tolerance is controlled 'centrally' (ie by the thymus and bone marrow, for example), it now appears that the bulk of tolerance may be mediated in peripheral tissue.   Why does it matter?  It matters because we used to think if we inject something into a muscle, and it's cleared within a reasonably short time, there shouldn't be any systemic or longer term consequences.  But if a local event, eg injection of an adjuvant into a muscle, can precipitate a series of events such as apoptosis (as demonstrated in the paper by Dupuis et al, discussed above) that can lead to loss of tolerance in susceptible individuals, then the previous assumptions are no longer enough to support the hypothesis that an adjuvant is safe as long as it's cleared reasonably quickly from a site.

Now, that paper was published a few years ago.  A more recent one, by Seubert et al, 2008 again from Novartis, seems to suggest that MF59 does NOT induce apoptosis.

To confirm that neither MF59 nor alum is toxic to cells in the concentrations tested, we assessed apoptosis and cell death at the end of a 48-h incubation period. No detrimental effects were observed, and instead, MF59 and LPS lead to an overall better survival of stimulated cells (data not shown).

This paper is interesting for several reasons.  First, of course, cos it contradicts the earlier study.  Second, the statements suggest that the authors themselves believe apoptosis is detrimental, in the context of the effect of MF59 as an adjuvant.

Also, this is an in vitro study, performed basically by mixing cells with MF59, and examining them for apoptosis, whereas the previous findings were based on in vivo techniques involving injection of MF59 into mice and examining the lymph nodes.  Which model has more validity, is something that I'd leave readers to consider.  

One final interesting point, is the 'data not shown' part.  From time to time, for various reasons, researchers are unable to show the data and the paper is still accepted for publication.  But it is certainly unusual, in my albeit limited experience, to see the phrase 'data not shown', used as many as 13 times in this one single article, of which, btw, Derek O'Hagan is a co-author.

As I said, these are just a few of the observations and questions that I have, in reading the literature over the past year, by no means complete or correct.  The issues are so complex that, for example, the transcripts of the FDA/NIAID meeting ran to a total of 983 pages.  No, I haven't read them all, still working on it!  ;-).  

So, the issues are complex and difficult, as are the choices, especially when it comes to children, and the threat of a potentially high CFR pandemic.  I await the outcome of this and future meetings on this issue with interest.

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a couple of additional thoughts
or rather questions.  In both the FDA/NIAID meeting and in Novartis's published review on Safety of MF59 Adjuvant, there is mention of increased fibrinogen levels found in animal studies.  

Increased fibrinogen is interesting because it is one of a number of acure phase proteins, which rise with inflammation.  In other words, increased fibrinogen itself is a marker for inflammation.  At least that is how I understand it.  However, from the presentation at the FDA meeting, from Dr Novicki from Novartis, I'm not sure I know the implications of this statement.

We routinely measure fibrinogen because it actually is a nice little marker to show us that something is happening in rabbits. We tend to see up to a doubling up to two to three days post dose. And then it rapidly declines back to baseline.

Well, yes, something is happening.  I'm just curious what Dr Novicki thinks that something is.  The Novartis review says,

Consistent systemic treatment-related findings in animals treated with antigen plus MF59TM included increases in fibrinogen levels and slight increases in globulin. These findings are consistent with administration of adjuvanted vaccine formulations.

Um, I don't know.  It seems to me, that last sentence, is the equivalent of, well, saying that the death of Ex-Russian agent Alexander Litvinenko was consistent with administration of plutonium.

Or something like that. Oh, well, always more to learn, I guess..


All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


also, the study that showed induction of apoptosis
if you can get (or pay for) a copy of it, there are some really nice photographs, with the apoptotic bodies showing up by the annexin V staining.  Here's an example of how the assay is used, in this case for Cell apoptosis in cardiovascular disease

I don't know enough about the assay, to know how often they get false positives, though.


All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


The FDA already has this concern:
Although published data derived from clinical trials using these novel adjuvants have not identified serious safety issues6, theoretical safety concerns have been raised, such as the possibility that non-specific, self-directed immune responses might be stimulated using novel adjuvants.

What are they planning to do about this unresolved question?  

Can the auto-immune responses be turned off once started?
Can they predict who's at risk?
Will they make sure people have given full and real "informed consent" before they are given the shot?

"First, do no harm" is still the operative phrase, isn't it?

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor


strange how they have to tiptoe around with their words, isn't it?
'non-specific, self-directed immune responses.  It's like you almost need to do linguistic analysis, to figure out what they are saying.  Since when is 'autoimmune responses' taboo??

As for the unresolved questions, from the FDA meeting, my take is there were some folks working hard on trying to resolve them, but they seem to be vastly outnumbered by those who had already made up their minds and were just there to rubberstamp their 'opinion', often not even bothering to speak their mind, but rather just saying "I concur with so-and-so".  

Whenever the autoimmune issue came up, there would be those who refer to it as a 'theoretical' risk.  

Can the auto-immune responses be turned off once started?
Can they predict who's at risk?

Good questions!  No, there's no hard-and-fast science, because no one has invested in looking for or at the problem!  It also makes it easy to paint the problem as 'theoretical'.

Will they make sure people have given full and real "informed consent" before they are given the shot?

Well, if you don't have the data to say what kind of adverse reaction you might be expecting, beyond the usual injection site pain etc, then how on earth are you supposed to give informed consent?  There are only educated guesses, and they will REMAIN no better than guesses, unless the government puts in substantial amounts of $$$ for research.

If all or most vaccine research is conducted by vaccine companies, how much incentive is there, to 'discover' new, previously undefined, adverse reactions?


All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


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Then the new rules on not holding pharma companies responsible
for harm or not allowing lawsuits for damages following pandemic vaccinations smooths everything over, even if there is reason for concern.  Why should they worry about it?  

If they willfully ignore signs of trouble, why should they have a "get out of jail free" card?  Something is wrong with this picture.

If playing dumb doesn't cost them anything, is there another avenue for discovery?  Can't the FDA make them look for adverse effects?  If pharma won't pay for additional research, they shouldn't be protected from lawsuits, IMO.  

We are not in an emergency situation, right now.  It seems from the history of vaccines that you assembled, that there is a record of serious flaws that have been ignored.  Isn't there time to do this right?

 

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor


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well, you've hit it on the head
Something IS wrong with this picture.

  • they get liability protection
  • the bulk of the research is done by companies (even if the taxpayer subsidizes that!)
  • with proprietary adjuvants, independent researchers, if they exist, do not get access to these substances without agreeing to often very strict conditions.  I have heard stories of how companies that want/need to do studies with these adjuvants, being made to agree to NOT do safety studies as a condition of access to the adjuvant and the proprietary data needed to do the research
  • then you have the revolving door, where scientists change from 'advising' governments (or the WHO) to working directly for the companies.  Think how much insider information they bring.  Also think how they can get 'rewarded' for turning a blind eye while in public office, cos they know there's a cushy job waiting for them afterwards.  

These are just a few examples, of what is wrong with the system.  What I see missing, is the public.  Wherever I go to such meetings, whether it is organized by 'industry' or by government, I see that the public is not in the room.  Most of the public do not have the financial and/or knowledge capability to be part of the conversation.

As this FDA meeting shows, they are not even AWARE that the issue is being discussed.  As I said, I have been paying attention to this issue for years, and yet I didn't know about this meeting until I got an email from someone asking me a question about adjuvants.  

Then, when you look at the meeting notification, there was NOTHING there that hints at the issues involved.  By stature, the FDA does not have to release briefing material or even meeting agenda till 2 business days before, and this was EXACTLY what they did.  Check out this page, notice what it says at the bottom

Page last updated: February 17, 2009

Even though this was a 2 day meeting, and strictly speaking the information should have been posted 2 days prior to the start of day1, ie Feb 16, they did not actually post it till the morning of Feb 17th, thus narrowly fulfilling the requirements for the SECOND DAY.  

The reason why I know this is because I was waiting to look at the material, thinking they would be available on the 16th, and they weren't.  And even WITH the briefing material, you won't see the word ADJUVANT, till you are over halfway through the dense bureaucrateze.  The only 'red flag' that told me what was at stake, as I said at the beginning of this diary, was the companies that were presenting.


All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


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No safety studies allowed, as a condition?? Yikes!
with proprietary adjuvants, independent researchers, if they exist, do not get access to these substances without agreeing to often very strict conditions.  I have heard stories of how companies that want/need to do studies with these adjuvants, being made to agree to NOT do safety studies as a condition of access to the adjuvant and the proprietary data needed to do the research

Is this from private communication or is it publicly available?  How can they get away with that?  Even if it's a private agreement between companies, the FDA should be checking on safety issues.  

Do they use human subjects?  There are rules about how actual people can be treated, to prevent abuse.  Researchers have forms to fill out.  Who is in charge of checking out their information?  

Sometimes it doesn't seem that we are getting the protection from government agencies that we're paying for, especially for parents bringing their kids in for shots.  Sure, now we know that sometimes drugs sold on the internet and made abroad might be counterfeit, but in the doctor's office, we expect to be given real products with proven safety.  Momma bears can get real angry....

This is not just business, for families.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor


[ Parent ]
darn, we missed one major issue here!!
check out this errata

Page 6, 5th paragraph, lines 10-14: delete "such as the possibility that non-specific, self-directed immune responses might be stimulated using novel adjuvants.  Unlike the licensed, unadjuvanted H5N1 in the national stockpile, an extensive record of safe use of a corresponding seasonal influenza vaccine formulated with a novel adjuvant is not available."  

Last line on page 6, 5th paragraph now reads "Although published data derived from clinical trials using these novel adjuvants have not identified serious safety issues6, theoretical safety concerns have been raised."

They had to take out even THAT tip-toeing phrase 'non-specific, self-directed immune responses', and substitute it with 'theoretical safety concerns'.

I now know how come so many on the committee were speaking of 'theoretical safety concerns'.  I was naive enough to think they said that out of personal conviction.  It may be that they were saying that cos they were voluntarily toeing the line.

It tells us how much independence there is, in that advisory committee.

Kudos to the few who dared to mention the word 'autoimmunity'. But they were very few indeed...


All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
In response to someone who sent me a question
Here's the 'lowdown' on some of that science:

1) our body is constantly regenerating, ie cells die, and cells regenerate

2) there are 2 types of cell death

     a) the good, organized kind where the unwanted cells are removed safely. This is called apoptosis,

     b) the not-so-good, disorderly kind (called necrosis, but you don't have to know the word) where the contents of the cells are SPILLED, and causes our body to react to them, ie inflammation and disease

3) the vaccine company, in a 2001 paper, proudly and very clearly showed that MF59 enhances apoptosis, ie the GOOD kind of cell death.

Sounds good?

4) Except that immunologists are NOW discovering that too much of that 'good' stuff, is bad for certain types of people. Some people have certain genes that make it difficult of them to remove the cells properly, in which case the orderly cell death becomes disorderly cell death.

In other words, too much apoptosis can trigger autoimmune disease, in some people

5) the company has now published another paper, using a different, (maybe less reliable) test, that says it doesn't enhance apoptosis after all.

Is that a red flag? I call it a red flag.


All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


Understandable terms
Susan, thanks for translating these matters into terms I can readily and quickly grasp, as a layperson. That's a tremendous help.

[ Parent ]
Disturbing
Given the profound impact that autoimmune disorders have on lives, vaccine safety is a serious issue.

[ Parent ]
Not sure I understand fully
I've looked at what you've written and now your summary makes me think I had at least understood the gist of the science.

Now, it looks like not everything is science, in life generally and in this issue in particular.

Things I don't understand.  There seems to be results that have not been published.  Does this mean the results are "bad", "good but inconclusive or not strong enough for whatever scientific reason", "erm, we're at it, wait a minute, here it is", "something else entirely"?

From what you say, I take it there are studies that haven't even been done.  Is it a matter of motivation, to put it crudely "profit vs health", with subjective probabilities thrown in so that certain profit vs unlikely harm causes profit to win?  A matter of "oh, we just looked at it, don't push us, we're at it, we'll tell you as soon as we can"?  Any other "theoretical options" I'm missing?

btw, I just LOVE (not) the part about "theoretical concerns".  I guess that bit of poetry means "it's a concern for some, not for all of us here".  But if it's a concern for some, then that's because there are some non-zero reasons for concern.  It's those reasons that are important, not the people who have those reasons in their minds.  Naively, I'd say FDA and similar entities are about reasons, not people.  So let's look at the reasons for concern and sort them out.  Now that there's time.

Please.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
regarding probabilities
Even if just a handful of vaccinees get autoimmune disease, such diseases last a lifetime.  And millions of people would receive those vaccines.  So it would mean many person-years of suffering.  How many, I don't know.  But many.

It deserves a hard look, I think.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
the major thing about adjuvants
is that they are proprietary preparations.  Which means the research is done either by the company or in collaboration with the company.  Manufacturers do a lot of in-house studies, and rightly so.  Whether they publish or not is not necessarily reflective of the adequacy of data.  All they need to do, in theory, is to fulfill regulatory requirements, ie send the REGULATORS (eg the FDA) the data.

Having said that, if you have a company that tends to publish copiously over the years, and there are gaps in their published research, then I for one would wonder if there's any reason behind it.

For example, a simple search of PubMed for MF59 returns 149 results.  But there are very few entries for preclinical safety, whether in vitro (eg cell culture) or in animal studies.

Let me refer you to what I wrote previously (instead of re-writing the same stuff!), here and here, one review after another makes claims that they have done plenty of safety studies in animals, but no references are cited, even though they provide plenty of references for preclinical EFFICACY data.

In other words, if you follow their references, you will come across studies of efficacy.  Which is useful.  But you won't come across safety studies.

For a long time, I thought they must be SOMEWHERE, that maybe I wasn't able to find them for whatever reason.  But now, with their latest review - that I quoted on the top diary Safety of MF59™ adjuvant (Schultze 2008) - they are admitting, in so many words, that their preclinical data have not been published, for the most part.

For a novel adjuvant where safety is the primary concern, where > 100 different studies have been published, would you say it is somewhat disturbing, to know that one of the most important pieces of safety information, ie results in animal studies, have not been published and therefore not subject to peer-review, and not available for scrutiny for the likes of you and I??

Like, honestly, in general, do we trust that the folks at the FDA will scrutinize the data to the standard that we as parents would be comfortable about?  Especially since by their (ie FDA's) own admission, current science is such that our ability to monitor vaccine and/or adjuvant toxicity is mediocre at best.

THAT was the central theme permeating the December FDA/NIAID scientific meeting   Adjuvants and Adjuvanted Preventative and Therapeutic Vaccines for Infectious Disease Indications   I've finally read the transcripts, the bulk of it, and I'd say, the central concerns are:

  1. the latest science tells us the pathways to immunogenicity of a vaccine, may be similar if not the same as that which will induce autoimmunity in susceptible individuals,

  2. the current regulatory mechanisms are too crude, to pick up autoimmune and similar delayed adverse reactions.

Kudos to the FDA/NIAID for raising these issues.  But I'm keenly aware of the huge interests at stake, so I'm looking at newer/better regulatory mechanisms as something that may happen, but probably only with great difficulty and over the objections of industry.


All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
and the biggest puzzle, IMO
that remains unresolved, is why on earth a review of squalene (a component of MF59) as a cosmetic ingredient, was quoted at an IOM meeting and the subsequent report published by the National Academies.  

And why an NIH Compendium on adjuvants, a reference compiled for researchers, also quotes the same cosmetics review.  

For more details, please see previous post.

Several things have happened since I wrote that post.  First the NIH compendium on adjuvants is no longer available from the NIH site that I initially downloaded it.  In fact, I have done extensive searches but that documents appears to disappeared, although a search on Google Scholar shows that it has been cited by 129 other publications.

Luckily, I did have the foresight to download and save it, cos stuff like that have a tendency to vanish.  I have also found (and paid for) the cosmetics review paper.  For copyright reasons, I'm not going to upload complete documents.  Instead, I've put together extracts of the relevant pages of these 3 'items of interest':

  1. Final Assessment on Safety of Squalene, the cosmetics review paper.
  2. the IOM report on safety of the anthrax vaccine, showing the citation using the above cosmetics review paper.
  3. the Compendium of Vaccine Adjuvants and Excipients compiled by scientists from the NIAID and DOD, again showing the use of that cosmetics review as reference for safety

I don't know.  Are you comfortable with your kids getting vaccinated with adjuvants where the case for their safety is made on SKIN CREAMS??

I'm not.  Which is why I keep looking...


All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
link to source
for the cosmetics review paper.  Final Report on the Safety Assessment of Squalane and Squalene

Note that the name of the journal has been changed due to a change of publisher, as stated on the site.  


All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
Very basic questions
Where can I find information about which adjuvants are used in which vaccines?

What are the alternatives to the current (not-thoroughly-tested) adjuvants?


alternatives
"alternatives to the current (not thorougly tested) adjuvants"

- thoroughly tested adjuvants. ;-)
- clear information with whatever real information is and isn't.
- fast high-yield vaccines.

Regarding #3, I don't know how far we are from that, both in time and in money.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
trascripts of the FDA meeting
on clinical trials for adjuvanted vaccines in children, are here http://www.fda.gov/downloads/A...

You can read the presentations, debates, issues, for yourself.  My (brief) comments are on p 122.


All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


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