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Community Open Thread January 1 2012 to ...

by: AlohaOR

Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 18:47:08 PM EST

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Thank you AlohaOR n/t

United we stand: Divided we fall

I am interested in getting a food vacume sealer
and I'm wondering if they are any good and if so what is a good brand?  

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I have the FoodSaver brand
My experience is that the plastic bags are expensive and a pain in the behind to use, so I generally use it to vacuum seal dry items in glass canning jars.  (You can use the jars and lids over and over again for dry storage.)

You just need to get the attachment that fits over a wide-mouth or narrow-mouth canning jar.  (There's a picture of the gizmo here.)

I recommend using the wide-mouth jars instead of the narrow ones because it's much easier to get the food in and out of the wide-mouths.

I've used this to seal dry mixes ("gift in a jar" type mixes), rice, orzo, pasta, couscous, bulgur, oats, lentils, beans, dried veggies, spices, seed packets, etc. in sizes from 1 cup to 1/2 gallon.

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I've been using a FoodSaver mini...
I got it about 4 years ago, and yeah, it can be a pain to use but on the other hand I vacuum-sealed almost 20 pounds of dry white rice 3 years ago and it's still good and the bags are still air-tight! It's a FoodSaver brand, but similar to this one.  I lust after this one.
AlohaOR is right, the bags can be expensive, but other brands are no cheaper, and FoodSucker 'IS' the original.

I suggest you get the lowest-cost food saver and try it out. If you find you really like it, move up to the ones with more features at a later time...

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Thanks BB and AlohaOR.
I can see why you lust after that foodsaver! Nice!
I have some new ideas and a foodsaver is needed for them.  

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Recall: flashlights set from Target
Target is recalling about 55,000 six-piece LED flashlight sets made in China after receiving four reports from users who had sustained minor burns to their hands, according to the Consumer Product Safety Commission. The flashlights can overheat, smoke, melt and pose fire or burn hazards. They were sold at Target stores from October 2010 to December 2011 for about $10 per set.

The flashlights are made of silver plastic with black rubber around the handle and light base. The UPC code 490021010049 is printed on the back of the package. The six-flashlight set includes two small flashlights measuring about three inches long, two medium flashlights about six inches long and two large flashlights about 7.5-inches long.

Target is offering a full refund. For more information, call target at 800-440-0680 between 7 a.m. and 6 p.m. CT Monday through Friday, or visit target.com.


"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

British science needs 'integrity overhaul'


Coinciding with the meeting, a BMJ survey of 2,782 doctors and medical academics showed that 13% claimed to have firsthand knowledge of "inappropriately adjusting, excluding, altering or fabricating data". Six per cent said that they were aware of cases of possible research misconduct at their institutions that they thought had not been properly investigated.


Comment There has been a need for an overhaul of the peer reviw system for a long time but it's seen as almost blasphemous to question scientists.

FWEET tomorrow (Jan 15)
Watch your inbox!

FWEET sent out
This quarter's FWEET email was sent at 3:07pm wiki time today, Jan. 15.

Wikipedia to go dark Wednesday in protest against SOPA, PIPA
Joining the protest against two proposed federal Internet regulation bills, Wikipedia's English-language site will be blacked out for all of Wednesday, co-founder Jimmy Wales announced on Twitter today.

Beginning at midnight ET on Jan. 18, visitors will see a protest message for 24 hours, Wales tweeted. The move will affect 30 million to 40 million users, he said, correcting an initial figure of 100 million.
[big snip]
ProPublica has compiled a database showing how members of Congress are lining up on the two bills.  { http://projects.propublica.org...  }


"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

Register for National Vaccine Advisory Committee Webinar
Flu Shots for Healthcare Workers on Agenda


The Committee meets three times a year in Washington, DC. These meetings are open to the public. Time is allotted at every meeting for public response and comment.

Meeting details are posted in a Federal Register notice at least 15 days prior to each meeting. Details regarding comments will be listed in the Federal Register notice for each meeting.

NVAC Pre-registration is required for public attendance, webinar, and comments.

If you wish to provide written comments, please submit them at least five business days in advance to nvpo@hhs.gov.

(Note: I don't know anything about this but thought some of you might be interested in it.)

I posted this.
"NewsDiary" was just trying to take credit for it. LOL

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown


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It's interesting to hear the aspects these meetings cover.
I've listened to webinars (NVAC and NBSB) in past years (on my landline phone).  The committees report on work they've done since the last meeting; it's impressive, especially considering that members have full-time jobs, too.  They have a lot to cover, so they don't drone on; they're efficient.

Registration page:

You can check out their previous meetings here:

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

[ Parent ]
Has anyone heard from...
...ADuckOrangeMercurey recently?

Not a word here, nor PFI, nor FluTrackers...

[ Parent ]
Chemicals linked to lower vaccine response in children
Not exactly flu, but I wonder if there's also some effect on flu vaccines:


Chemical compounds widely used in fast-food packaging, waterproof clothing and non-stick frying pans were linked in a study out Tuesday to lower immune response by young children to routine tetanus and diphtheria immunization shots.

The study, in Tuesday's Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), is the first to show how perfluorinated compounds can negatively affect the response to vaccines


Thanks for this, Cathy M!
I think it's reasonable to assume that flu-vaccine response would be affected as much as any other vaccine's.  

PFCs sound terrible in other ways too.  http://www.sailhome.org/Concer...

PFCs are in so many things in my house.  yuck!  I didn't realize it.  The list of items containing them is so long, and the body systems that they harm are many too.   Not comfortable to digest....  

...PFCs have become global pollutants in a short period of time.

They are found in remote islands, forests, and polar regions.

They are more persistent in the environment than PCBs and DDT.

They bioaccumulate.

They are toxic.

They are now found in every person tested.

U.S. residents have the world's highest PFC burdens.


{If this site is unreliable, someone please tell me, because I'd like to be able to disregard the information.  I hope to have grandchildren some day, but how to make life safer for them?  :-(  }  

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

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Thoughts on direct contact modes?
I noticed in the commentary on this site, researchers suggest that aerosols most likely the primary mode of flu transmission, whereas direct contact is more likey in tropical environments. (Re; Humidity and Temp as factors).

I am wondering about direct contact and transmission modes, and am suggesting perhaps dining areas where people  congregate could be worthy of analysis.

By observation, I think that personal habits may play a major role contributing to direct contact modes of transmission. Where people dine, it seems to me very likely that infected individuals are very capable of not only spreading flu aerosols, but flu to many surfaces. To wit, many patrons eat with their fingers in their mouths, cough on their hands or sleeves, dunk their fingers into puddings and salad bars, run their hands on almost any surface, etc. An inadvertent contagious person will do the same, and an inadvertent naive (meaning uncomtaminated I just learned) patron will contract those flu viruses in the same manner, transporting to their own mouths, eyes, nose, etc.

And perhaps this is compounded by the fact that many employees of restaurants and diners will work when sick. Their germs go everywhere.

What struck me in the past was an article mentioning that doctors entering rooms with many sick (flu) individuals, left without being contaminated and getting sick. This might be explained that the larger flu aerosols settle quickly. Or, from some excellent research by  Anice C. Lowen1*, Samira Mubareka1, John Steel1, Peter Palese1,2*
found that varying temperature and humidity played a key role in transmission. (Maybe the rooms were warm and humid.)

To bolster my idea,  the first reported case in the US (if I have my facts correct) was of a cook in Kansas. Interesting. He was followed by 100 others who ate there. Now that could be the aerosols at the cafeteria (or dining hall), or from direct contact from the virus, But this episode may lend credence to my notion that dining areas may be notorious areas for flu spread. Did cook acquire the flu virus, and then spread it to those diners? Perhaps the summer time virulence of that flu can be explained in this manner?

Conclusion: perhaps dining areas, or where ever people gather to eat or acquire food, and the habits of servers or patrons, may be a major factor in direct contact flu transmission, and worthy of deeper study (if not done already), imho. MM

Minor addendum
In the opening paragraph, that should be "researchers suggest that aerosols are most likely the primary mode of flu transmission in colder climates"  

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Another minor addendum
Can't seem to edit well enough the first go:

Where I said "To bolster my idea,  the first reported case in the US (if I have my facts correct) was of a cook in Kansas." was in reference to the 1917/1918 flu epidemic.  

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Knives and forks are probably a part of the equation too
and coffee and tea areas in businesses.

Most reports I've seen put hand to mouth transmission as the most likely vector in all regions. It's why masks don't feature in plans for the public. However, I think masks would help remind people not to touch their mouths.


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Mods, we really, really, REALLY need a new H5N1 Diary!
Pretty please.

"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson

Mods, can we have a new Indo diary? Thank you. n/t

United we stand: Divided we fall

Done & posted
The new Indonesia diary is here.

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Thank you AlohaOR n/t

United we stand: Divided we fall

[ Parent ]
Prepping topic Anderson Cooper Thurs am
Topic is preparing for disaster on Anderson Cooper's show now, Thurs. 11am CST.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

Anderson Cooper is on Fox network. n/t

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

[ Parent ]
Cooper took it seriously (until the end :-/ )
and he gave everyone in the audience a backpack emergency kit.  
His website has links to American Red Cross pages:
Emergency checklist:  http://www.andersoncooper.com/...
What you need in your emergency kit:  http://www.andersoncooper.com/...
Survival tips to keep family safe: http://www.andersoncooper.com/...
Enter for Emergency Essentials gift card for a 3-day emergency kit:  http://www.andersoncooper.com/...

However, in his last segment, he had a panel of 4 women. He asked if the preppers had gone overboard. A newswoman/comedienne (?) said what a downer it would be to spend any time with the preppers who've gone overboard.  A real newswoman seemed to appreciate the worth of being prepared.  Overall, it was a positive to discuss the subject, IMO.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

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Bird Flu Less Deadly than Supposed
By Dan Vergano, USA TODAY                 2/23/12

Bird flu may be less deadly than supposed, based on blood serum evidence of many past mild infections in Asia, a biomedical team reported Thursday.

"WHO does not account for a majority of infections, but rather the select few hospitalized cases that are more likely to be severe," says the study led by microbiologist Taia Wang of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York. That could mean an undercount of patients who suffer only minor bird flu illness, inflating the death rate.

The team compiled evidence of antibodies to the virus collected from 12,677 Asians, Africans and Europeans in 27 studies dating from 1997 to 2009. The team estimates that about 1.2% of them had survived mild bird flu cases. That corresponds to "millions of people who have been infected worldwide,"  

(More to come over the next few weeks)

  No warning - no way to fight - no way to win!  
We need help in our local communities to survive. Remember that quote:    "...No man is an island..."

Main WHO server seems to be down
But regional websites are still up:
South-East Asia (here)
Western Pacific Region (here)
Eastern Mediterranean Region (here)

It's back up (n/t)

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Our Miss Carol has the flu. We wish you
a speedy recovery my dear. We miss you!!

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Flubie with the flu...
What a novel news item! :-)

Get well soon, Carol...we already miss you!

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Feel better
soon, Carol!  Gosh, I'd think the flu would be afraid of you.  You know its secrets!  lol

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

[ Parent ]
LOL! I would think that too Jane. n/t

United we stand: Divided we fall

[ Parent ]
Carol has the flu?

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IL: Preparedness for pets [radio ads]
IEMA Launches Pet Preparedness Radio Spots Featuring Legendary "Animal Stories
SPRINGFIELD - April 3, 2012. A new radio public awareness campaign set to hit the airwaves in Illinois will bring a humorous approach to the serious topic of pet emergency preparedness. Legendary radio personality Larry Lujack and his long-time radio associate Tommy Edwards, long known for their "Animal Stories" vignettes when working together on Chicago radio, have revived their roles as "Uncle Lar and Lil' Tommy" in seven radio spots for the Illinois Emergency Management Agency's (IEMA) statewide preparedness campaign. [snip]

(The seven brief radio ads are titled Emergency Plan, Pet Supply Kit, Pet Iguana, Some Day, Pet Evacuation Plan, Stop Procrastinating, Common Sense.)

You can listen to them at the link.  They have sound effects and some humor.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

Something new has been added
You may notice that immediately under the byline for each diary on the front page, you're now seeing three new buttons. Those are to allow readers to easily share links with Facebook, Twitter and a number of other social media outlets (found under the "More" heading). This feature was actually added with an upgrade to the software a while back but we're just getting around to trying it out now.

There are also specific buttons available for LinkedIn and Google+ but I didn't turn those on. Should I? I don't use either one. I've always had the impression that LinkedIn was very much business-oriented and I don't have a good sense of the popularity of Google+ but maybe someone else here can provide some feedback on either one.

Warning: chlorine pellets can make trouble
My sealed plastic jug of chlorine pellets split without my noticing, and now I have lots of corrosion to clean up, as well as having to dispose of the pellets (probably at a hazardous waste facility).  I guess I'm lucky that I found the mess before the humid summer set in.  There are warnings about not adding water to the pellets because they can catch fire.  

As it is, 2 cans of tire inflator and a can of weed killer rusted and have to be trashed or disposed of.  And the jars I had packages of seeds stored in, now have corroded lids.  (Those items were in the basement on the same table as the chlorine pellets.) And my galvanized pail with wringer doesn't look galvanized anymore, but it had been on the floor under the table.  Etc.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

Thanks for the warning, Jane (n/t)

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Whew, FluWiki works again!
Thank you to whomever fixed it!  I hope the failure was something simple, like knocking a plug out of the wall, or not paying the electric bill....    :-[

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

Part of a large internet outage
We were affected by the large power & internet outage affecting the east coast.

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Powerful storms hit the East coast
Eastern US storms kill 13, cut power to millions
Millions across the mid-Atlantic region sweltered Saturday in the aftermath of violent storms that pummeled the eastern U.S. with high winds and downed trees, killing at least 13 people and leaving 3 million without power during a heat wave.

Power officials said the outages wouldn't be repaired for several days to a week, likening the damage to a serious hurricane. Emergencies were declared in Maryland, West Virginia, Ohio, the District of Columbia and Virginia, where Gov. Bob McDonnell said the state had its largest non-hurricane outage in history, as more storms threatened. "This is a very dangerous situation," the governor said.


"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

[ Parent ]
It was not a fun evening
And then last night, we were under tornado warnings for almost 4 hours right here in my backyard.  Gotta say, being covered by blankets and pillows, lying in a cold bathtup, is not exactly the way I wanted to spend my evening. OTOH--it beats the alternative if a twister were to hit...

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Can a solar wind hurt our computers?
I've been checking on the Space Weather site regularly, just in case it can.  Now there's a very large group of spots on the sun pointing toward Earth, and I'm going to put my laptop in a metal file cabinet (while I'm not using it, at least).  

DARK HOLE IN THE SUN'S ATMOSPHERE: Ultraviolet telescopes onboard NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory are monitoring a vast dark hole--a "coronal hole"--in the sun's upper atmosphere. It has just turned directly toward Earth:
[photo at the site]
Coronal holes are places where the sun's magnetic field opens up and allows the solar wind to escape. A stream of solar wind flowing from this particular gap is en route to Earth, due to arrive on July 2nd or 3rd. The impact could spark geomagnetic storms and auroras.


Could be that the activity will just generate some beautiful photos.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

Pandemic, the board game
My 20yo son, who has never shown much interest in public health or pandemic readiness, came home raving about playing a new (to him) board game - Pandemic (reviewed here).  It's a collaborative game:
You are specialists at the CDC/Atlanta where you watch several virulent diseases break out simultaneously all over the world. The team mission is to prevent a worldwide pandemic outbreak, treating hot spots while researching cures for each of the four plagues before they get out of hand.

He and his friends had so much fun that they played 3 rounds of it, and wished that the game lasted longer.

Who would've thought that pandemics could be so entertaining?

Logging on FW is working oddly recently.
I sign in and can see, for example, (12 Comments, 4 new, 6 words in story) in the center of the front page, but my name doesn't appear, and there aren't any red (new) indicators in the Recent Diaries right-hand sidebar.

After clicking on a diary link, my name appears, and going back to the Home page, the Recent Diaries bar has the normal appearance
News Reports for August 30, 2012
by: NewsDiary - Aug 26
10 Comments (10 new)

Not major, but disconcerting.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

Just to review
The only page behaving oddly is the home page? And only when you land on it after first logging in?

[ Parent ]
Yes, that's all I've noticed. Thanks! n/t

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

[ Parent ]
Are you still seeing the same issue?
I normally just stay logged in but since your original comment, I've made a point of logging out on my way out the door so that when I return, I have to log in again and can check to see if anything's amiss. But so far, it's working for me the way it should.

Are you still seeing a problem?

[ Parent ]
Not sure.
I thought I had logged out, but this morning I was already logged in when I turned on the computer and opened the FW page. I'll check tomorrow.  

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

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National Preparedness Month proclamation

The White House

Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
August 31, 2012
Presidential Proclamation -- National Preparedness Month, 2012




As thousands of our fellow Americans respond to and recover from the damage done by Hurricane Isaac, we are called to remember that throughout our history, emergencies and natural disasters have tested the fabric of our country.  During National Preparedness Month, we renew our commitment to promoting emergency preparedness in homes, businesses, and communities nationwide, and to building an America more ready and resilient than ever before.

Each of us has an important role to play in bolstering our preparedness for disasters of all types -- from cyber incidents and acts of terrorism to tornadoes and flooding.  That is why my Administration is pursuing an approach to emergency management that engages the whole community -- from Federal, State, local, and tribal governments to the private sector, nonprofits, faith based organizations, and the general public.  I encourage all Americans to visit www.Ready.gov or www.Listo.gov to learn more about the risks facing their communities, find out what they can do to prepare, and join thousands of individuals from coast to coast by becoming a member of the National Preparedness Coalition.  Individuals and families can also take action by building a disaster supply kit with food, water, and essential supplies in case of emergency, and by developing and sharing an emergency plan with their loved ones.

As cities and towns across our country recover from natural disasters that have spanned historic drought to devastating wildfires and storms, we are reminded of the spirit of resilience that binds us together as one people and as one American family.  This month, let us honor that spirit by standing with all those affected by recent severe weather, as well as past disasters, and by taking the steps we can to protect our loved ones and our communities before disaster strikes.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim September 2012 as National Preparedness Month.  I encourage all Americans to recognize the importance of preparedness and observe this month by working together to enhance our national security, resilience, and readiness.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this thirty-first day of August, in the year of our Lord two thousand twelve, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-seventh.



"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

Ready.gov has videos, lists, and instructions
for families and businesses to use in preparing for different kinds of disasters.  http://www.ready.gov/

Arizona is holding a "foodie" cook-off:

Illinois:  http://www.ready.illinois.gov/
Pennsylvania:  http://www.sacbee.com/2012/08/...

A series of 4 webinars for businesses:  http://uspolitics.einnews.com/...

Google "emergency preparedness month 2012" for more (there are 10 pages listed!).

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

[ Parent ]
FEMA site has a forum for each of the 10 geographical areas in US
Find yours on this map:  

Also, look at their Build a Kit page.  http://www.ready.gov/build-a-kit   It's pretty simple (well, simple until you click on the supplies list link ;)  ) {and the drop-down First Aid Kit list http://www.ready.gov/basic-dis...  } ), then deepens on the Kit Storage Locations page  http://www.ready.gov/kit-stora...  , where we're advised to have supplies for 3 days ready to go, and "you may want to consider" having 2 weeks' additional supplies, and 24 hours' worth at our workplaces (as well as comfortable shoes for walking), and a kit for our vehicles (recommended supplies are listed).  Good introduction to prepping, IMO, because you can never tell when something might happen....

There's more to explore on the FEMA site, too.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

[ Parent ]
Calling all Fluwikians: Help pick the winner of American Fever Video Contest
Mr. Hall has asked for our help in picking the video you like best. There are 4 and can be viewed here:


Please post your votes here in the community diary. Thanks for helping out.


United we stand: Divided we fall

Which 4 videos met the deadline?
I saw 8 videos.  The comments on the video page mention HD and video quality, but I haven't watched them in HD yet.  I guess we have to see them on YouTube to see the HD versions.  Maybe full screen, too?

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

[ Parent ]
American Fever video contest winner
Hi all~

The winner of the video contest is David Rodriguez. Here is the link:


And the youtube:


Other honored entries:


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Sale on Volcano stoves
I got an email about a reduced price with free shipping on the Volcano three-fuel stove (which I have already bought).  http://www.volcanogrills.com/h...  $149.99 for stove, propane burner, lid (it's insulated, for using stove as an oven), storage/carry bag, and skewers.  (I don't want to think about how much I paid for all of mine bought separately....)  I haven't tried it yet, but I've heard that it's handy during power outages and camping trips (if going by car, because some of the stove is cast iron), as well as backyard cooking.  It's a Hallowe'en sale, but they didn't say when the sale price ends.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

Dear Franklin
By now you've probably realized that your account has been nuked. If you're paying attention to the way this place works, you should see this.

Since seniors as a group can have a particular problem dealing with influenza, my initial response to what appeared to be spam was to express my concern and wait for a reaction. I wanted to see where you were going with this.

Your response was to start filling up the list of diaries with talking points and links designed to drive traffic away from us to sites of your choosing in the ultimate service of a commercial enterprise. And with nary a mention of the subject which is the reason this site exists. Just about the dictionary definition of spam.

So your account is locked and your diaries and comments have dropped out of sight. If you want to discuss it, look for the Contacts list on the right sidebar near the top -- my name is an email link.


PS: Have I mentioned that I hate spam with the burning intensity of a thousand suns? It's a cliche but that doesn't mean it's not true.

Thank you, Pogge (n/t)

[ Parent ]
I watched as those Diaries drifted away into the sunset...
And now, I look for a "Like" button for pogge's comment...

[ Parent ]
Happy Holidays to all~
Here's wishing you and yours a merry holiday season and a healthy, happy New Year.

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I'll second that motion. n/t

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