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The Preppers Stove, so safe and cheap that anyone can use in their house

by: urdar

Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 19:57:48 PM EDT


Sugestions on alternative cooking range from thermos, solar, comersial stoves and DIY alchol burners have been mentioned.

Some listed here: Prep: Heath, Light & Energy, decentralized safety
http://www.newfluwik...

But, still I get the impression that many dont have a reliable plan for how to cook and stay warm during prolonged blackouts. Which in my opinion is esssential for coping. It need ahead action, so it would be nice to have a plan on hand, using the things we cant live whitout, the tins.

So I am hereby intruducing: The Preppers Stove!

urdar :: The Preppers Stove, so safe and cheap that anyone can use in their house
This is a DIY stove, made from your preps.  Easy, Cheap and Quick, with added Safety, in comparison with the popular alcohol stoves.

First some background. Alcohol stoves are the easiest to operate, no pumps, vents, nossles, wicks, fumes or Carbon monoxide, issues. etc.
But alcohol is highly flammable, flame is invincible in strong daylight, have no levels, and the DIYs are made with only two issues at mind, lightweight and cheap.

The lightweight is the main drawback for using it on your kitchen counter, easy to bump over if it don´t have a solid rig for it. And since alcohol is flammable whit-out a wick, you will have a small river of burning fire on your nice wood kitchen counter..

The trangia solves this with a very good rig like this:

Solving this took me some thinking. I found a reference from air-stripes in the old days where they used tins, filled with sand and kerosene, that is a brilliant solution. It can be made anytime, using only your tin-canned preps. Burns on alcohol, and even kerosene. (some drawbacks on kerosone. Will come back to that later.)

The sand acts like a wick and prevents overheathing, and if bumbed over no floating fire. Its also complety quiet, and have no exiting bursts of flames.

INSTRUCTIONS:

*1 Sand (have to be dry)
*2 large tin (Whole Corn, is good for less mess)
*3 small tin (typical Tuna or Pineapple)
*4 a lid, that covers the small tin (from paintbucket)
*5 Cotton Buds (can be replaced with TP, or skipped)
*6 Hammer, Screvdriver, Sharp pointy thingy, Plier, Can-opener
*7 Grinding paper (not on the pict)
30 minutes


Stick holes in the small can, 1cm from the top (this is the type of can with a tear of lid, easyes to poke holes when the can is more solid.


Open the large can on the top.
Remowe content and grind away any thin layer of plastic on the inside with grinding paper. Its important to get away the plastic. One trick may be to just burn it off complety outside.
  Sharp edges warning! Use solid glows or be carefull.

Then make small holes and work them bigger with screwdriver and the plier, size of holes have to be 1-2 cm. One row at the bottom and one row at top. This is easiest done on the side who is still not opened. Instead of hammering, use gentle force to awoid mishaping the can to much.
Remove the bottom as well.


the mais to be eaten when ready :D


Fill the small can with sand just below the holes. Place a cotton bud into the sand.


*1 Prefered fuel: denatured ethanol, in this case disqused as cheap carwindow fluid consentrate. Alchool burns with no soth, smell or CO. Other types are Red Spirits, Isopropanol/rubbing alchool (expensive and a good sanitizer)  And Moonshine (waste of valuble resources!).

*2 Lamp oil, a better type of kerosene with less smoke and smell. Since this is not a effecient burner, the kasseroll will be sothed, and you have to ventilate some with a window if used.

White Gas (Naphta) is another type (from fossil Oil). Vegtable oil did not work very well, a mixture may be good.

Soak the sand with fuel, not to much, just soaked. The cotton acts like a primer, making it easier to ignite.


Burn Baby Burn!


Safty:
*1 Allways keep the lid near, and a plier (something to handle hot with)

*2 Put the arangment on the bench, on top of a deep pan upside down. The burner gets hot on the underside.
* 3 keep the plier near as well to lift away the cooking top.

To put out the fire, you place the lid on.
( If you have used a kersone type of fuel, you will get some kerosene steam out of the holes. Open windows and ventilate well.) Smells bad, like a candle that is put out, and is not so healthy to inhale.


Boil in a small kasseroll, with lid all time.
(se the holes had to be bigger than first planned)

Enjoy your warm corn :D

One fill lasts aprox 20-30 minutes. The sand wil get hard after some use, poke it.

I recomend using alcohol, and not kerosene unless no other choise, (black mess in the washing up etc.)

3-4 heathers like this would also be a good way of heathing your house in an emergency. They give out a lot of heath. To effective ventilate whitout losing the heath, you open windows on both sides for a short minute.  Remember that CO is heavier than air, that means cellars will be dead-end, and pose a treath of CO poisning if you use a lot of kerosene due to this burners ineficient burn.

Small children, cats, dont sleep, keep fireextinguisher ready etc warning!

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neat !
urdar, you`re so smart. I`m going to try one.
  And, as you are so smart as to put pictures here. How about one of your new daughter ?

  I miss babies, even my great grandkids aren`t really babies anymore.

There is no pleasure in having nothing to do; the fun is in having lots to do and not doing it." -Mary Wilson Little


:D
I will write a reusable clothdiaper tread soon, and then of course she has to do some modeling. She uses a lot of that stuff!!

[ Parent ]
baby pictures
When I was coming up, all we had were cloth diapers but I'll bet modern mothers of infants don't have clue how to use them.  Do they even sell diaper pails anymore?

Be kind, for everyone you meet is engaged in a great struggle.--Philo of Alexandria

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Sure!
Lots of people - even if it is a minority - still use cloth diapers (or nappies, as we say here). I did. Indeed, there are kinds these days which are no harder to use than disposables. There's a cottage industry in making cute ones!

[ Parent ]
modern life
Mathematician,

A few years ago, I gave my best friend a year of diaper service as a gift when her first was born.  She rejected it in favor of disposables.  The friendship didn't survive long after that.

Be kind, for everyone you meet is engaged in a great struggle.--Philo of Alexandria


[ Parent ]
good
All the best to you new parents! :-)


[ Parent ]
Can stove
For the less handy, this can be used with a buddy burner, too. I have one of these in an emergency pack in each of our cars! Keep the lid of the coffee can and it can be packed with emergency supplies: matches, small food items. If you have a small pot that can fit down in the coffee can and rest on the inner can, it's much more stable.
Great pics, udar!

Soda cans can be used to make these stoves as well
Soda cans can be used to make a similar stove to the one that urdar posted the directions and pictures for.  Not as nifty as his, but doable.  Below are some links that I've found with directions and a few pics.

http://en.wikipedia....

http://pcthiker.com/...

http://hikinghq.net/...

http://mywebpages.co...

http://readymademag....

http://www.antigravi...

http://www.boblog.or...

http://home.att.net/...


SodaCan StoveNice for one
KathyinFL,

  Hi. I like the soda can stove for hikeing. You posted it before me :)

  Udar, very nice. Have not seen this one but like it. I looks stable and uses more types of fuel.

  Diesl is a bad fuel as it leaves some sort of residue.

  Vodka and other high proof spirits also burn, but why waste them (pesonal opinion)

  Vegetable oil needs some pre-heating and spraying to burn well in both cars/trucks and oil burners. Well worded explination here:  http://www.frybrid.c...

  Website for cooking oil stoves (corn oil, sunflower and [horrible name] rape seed)

http://www.jatropha....

Nice looking burner on a Tree hugger site (their name not mine)
http://www.treehugge...

Veggie oil heating stove
http://www.kumastove...

  Note - the local fire marshal does not like people storing more than 5 gallos of gas or 50Lbs of black powder in a residence. More than 5 gallons of gas is 'dangerouse'. Fire marshal has no problem with 20 or 30 gallons of vegetable oil. Note: local fire marshal does not like people(me) pointing out the vehicals have 15 gallon gas tanks parked inside garage of said residence.

Hope this helps.
Kobie


[ Parent ]
Sodacans stove combined with sand maybe..
maybe filling the sodacans with sand as well will make them more stable and safe, less fuel pr run, but if they are made taller...

They do have a more spreaded jetflame, much more "sophisticated" than my plump quick stove :)

Also to awoid spilling burning alcohol a god stand is all you need.. But I found this to be more difficult to make my selv with things at hand,  then a stove..

All please post your experiences if you try making one, there is probably room for some improvements, like a handle, holes that is not as sharp etc.

Also maybe try to remove the plastic coating with nailpaint remower, or maybe just identify the tins whitout..



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Soda can stove
Urdar,

  Hi. Thank you for the pictures.

  The extra can looks like a good idea for both wind screen and stand.

  I like the soda can because it is light. They are only about 1/3 the height of a regular can.

  The only change I was thinking about is a metal partition in the sand with four wicks. Take two piece of metal and make an 'X' and then put a wick in each one. this way you can vary the temperature from cooking to just keeping the coffee warm. The fuel in the bottom could float between the different sides of the 'X' but would only burn on the lit wick.

  Problem: Denatured alcohol evaporates. Lighter fuels like alcohol might heat up and then flash over from one light wick to an unlit wick.  Lamp oil or good mineral spirits might be the best fuel. They are heavier. An old Sterno can with paraffin wax might be the best small heater.

  I'm still working on corn oil. It burns so hot on the stove during a grease fire from what I'm told. Corn oil is stable and has multiple uses. Corn oil needs some heating before it burns well.

  I need to research the oil stoves in use now.  I've seen Diesel and corn oil burn out in the open when put expelled in a fine mist from a nozzle. Although it was only a video I took two steps back and checked my eyebrows. The potential is there.

Kobie


[ Parent ]
instructions for another soda can stove
[ Parent ]
Wonderful!
Thanks again, Urdar!  With such splendid directions even I will be able to make a few of these!
(Best wishes for your new baby girl!)

Susan (AKA Wolf)

another echo
Yes, thanks Urdar and another welcome to the new baby.  I tried out my little soda can alcohol stove, and it seems like it will boil a little water.  I worry about cooking a big family-size pot of beans that will need several hours to cook. 

People, is there any reason not to use these can stoves on top of the regular non-functioning stove?  I feel like it is a natural place to cook, and if it tips, it won't burn any furniture.


no problem
On this "preppers stove" it should be perfectly allright. It dont have any outbursts of flame.

If your ventilator have a vent going directly outside, and there is a natural drag whitout the fan running it should be perfect to ventilate out gasses if you use kerosene.

Some conventional kerosene stoves may have some flame outburst when started by non experienced users. This can be a little high, and making sure your ventilator is not full of grease and dust should be vise.

If you have bought a camping kerosen stove, practice a litle outdoors, till you get the hang of it.



[ Parent ]
thank you
good suggestions, especially reminder to clean out vent.

[ Parent ]
Why some fuels create Carbon monoksyd
CO is a product of un effective combustion. Charcoal gives out allot of it, same does any type of paper, wood etc. You cant burn anything like that indoors whit-out a chimney.

Propane, butane, and alcohol is ok.

Kerosene (parafine/lampoil) used in candles, oillamps gives out microscopic amounts. Since the wick is dimensioned for the use. So with some trimming a soothe free burn is achieved.

A pressurized burner is also good, and need to be cleaned, and adjusted to burn nicely. The placement of the casserole is an issue, if its to near the flame, its soothes more, a signal that to much CO is created.

My preppers stove is blunt, its not a finely adjusted thingy, it will not burn the kerosene very efficient, thats why I propagate the usage of alcohol. Ethanol of any kind in a 96% solution is a very wise prep, used as hand sanitizer mixed with glyserine.  But its good to have the fuel options, and a window open takes care of it.

Lamp-oil is the best kerosene, it has a lower amount of irritating fumes. Thats why its more expensive.


You are right
Urdar, There has been a lot of news about the suicide earlier this week near where I live of a member of the '70s rock band Boston. Brad Delp, who by all reports was a kind and wonderful, but obviously terribly depressed, man, killed himself by setting up two small charcoal grills in his master bathroom, blocking all ventilation, and succumbing to CO2 poisoning.

If there is any doubt that you should not use charcoal grills indoors, let this be a lesson.



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CO and CO2 from flames
Hi,

  The burning of natural Gas, propane or other stoves do use up oxygen in the room.

  Any time the temprature is too low and you get a yellow flame there is CO and soot. The bright blue flame is a good indicator of complete compbustion

  Good source: http://www.montana.e...

  Another text:
[snip]
Carbon monoxide is generally formed as intermediate product of combustion of carbon to carbon dioxide. For complete oxidation of CO to CO2 certain retention time within a temperature above 720 °C is required (BAUMBACH, 1993). If this cannot be achieved CO gets emitted. An incomplete oxidizing of plant oil molecules leads to different hydrocarbons. Thermal decomposition of molecules may occur and hydrocarbons can get formed like polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, aldehyde, ketone, etc.

Soot is built through thermal decomposition of hydrocarbons, leaving an agglomeration of elemental carbon. Existence of soot in the flame can be detected visually. Since soot emits incident radiation like a blackbody flames with soot burn in a deep or bright yellow flame. In contrast, flames without soot have a transparent, blue flame.
[snip]
source :http://www.jatropha....

  Yea many people where sad to hear about Brad Delp. I heard it was CO posioning but not how. So sad.

Kobie


[ Parent ]
he
left warning notes on the doors; so responders would not get poisoned. Sad, and sad for those who cared about him.

[ Parent ]
Urdar, checked hexayurt yet?
http://howtolivewiki...

Youtube "hexayurt", too.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


Hexayurt Project on howtolivewiki.com
Lugon,

  Hi. Thanks. Some interesting ideas.

  Not only as shelter for homeless who may not be servered during a pandemic but as repair material.

  In case things get really bad I have friends who live up in the moutains. To barter for space, this might work as a shelter. Cold up in the moutains but better than total chaos.

  Backup plan to the backup plan.

  Still awfuly cold in the moutains. Friends or not, I would have to have convince them I have skill of value to them.

  Could this be used to house infected bird flu patients? 6' tall ceilings are pretty low. I'm over 6'.

Kobie


[ Parent ]
Now this is really interesting, Lugon.
Do you think they could buy those infrastructure packages for $100? That seems awfully low to me considering what they list. The infrastructure must have to be homemade, too.

I wonder what kind of wind load these would stand up to...also snowload, in some places.


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carbon monoxide
We should all be worried about CO poisoning. When I bought my CO detectors I checked around to see what the best placement would be.

There was a lot of conflicting information about whether the CO would go up or down.

While the CO is heavier than air it is often warm and therefore now less dense so it might go up. Then air currents in a building might move it around regardless of it's relative weight.

In real life situations people have been poisoned in basements as well as in upstairs rooms.

In the end I placed my CO detectors on all three levels of my home and have a very healthy respect for how fast a CO generating appliance can kill a person. For example a car in a garage can kill a person in an attached home in 20 minutes.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.


Urdar's stove
A wire coat hanger will make a bail-type handle for the outside can.  Another wire coat hanger will make tongs with folded ends curved to fit around the fire can.  If the fire can does not have a lip, then you can use a church key from the inside out to create little "ears" on the outside, then use the tongs just under the ears to make the lift a secure undertaking.  These tongs are also good for taking chunks of food out of water, or hot rocks from place to place, or instruments and bandages that you might have to boil to sterilize.

I find that a large coffee can for the outside can/cook surface works really well, also.

I'm concerned about how to keep a slow fire of some kind suitable for slow cooking larger amounts for several people, or to last several days. Sort of like the stock pots of the middle ages that were just kept over the fire all year long, with stuff added from day to day.

Also, if you get hold of some cast iron pots of a smallish size to use on Urdar's stove, you can clean and sterilize them by turning them over on the stove and cooking out the inside.  You have to hold the pot and be really careful, and when all is burned off, just wipe the soot off.  This will save water otherwise used for clean-up. 


Pot, dutch oven care.
Hi,

  Dutch ovens and tinfoil ovens are great for making bread, pizza, french fries, fish sticks, biscuits.

  Dutch oven can also do cornish game hens, chicken cordon bleu, quiech (not for real men :O), cakes, soups and beans. We call them beans and franks.

  Does the UK call them beans and bangers?

  Cast iron needs to be seasoned.

  Aluminum is lighter but less forgiving about temprature changes and hot spots. They will deform. I saw one alunimum pot melt. Had a hole in the bottm that was actually kinda artistic.

Kobie

 


[ Parent ]
tt-n-ok ... what about a pit fire
For a long term slow fire what about cooking in a pit?

Just add chunks or knots of wood as you need them ... similar to charcoal.  If you want to "save" the fire then just lightly cover it with dirt and cap your pit with a lid ... metal trash can lids work well, but get hot so you need to remember to use appropriate caution.

Set a dutch oven down on the coals and keep it cookin' for as long as you want ... even around the clock as long as the fire doesn't get too hot.  Just kind of a simmering heat.


Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead


[ Parent ]
Pit stove: wonder if there are guidelines for where it's dangerous to use?
Some woodsy place with lots of underground roots might not be good, unless it's prepared beforehand, like digging a bigger hole than you need and lining it with rocks or bricks, then sand?  (I'm a worrier; maybe there wouldn't be a problem anywhere.)

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

[ Parent ]
home made stove
If anyone has troube making holes in the can - fill the can with water - place in freezer and let it turn to ice - it is then easier to make the holes in the can.

urdar, i don't know if this helps
http://appropedia.or...

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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