Indonesia April 20th, 2007 to April 22nd, 2007

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Eat pudding first - who know's what might happen next! - Anon

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by: AnnieB @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 04:16:57 AM UTC

NEW CASE - NY GL - Central java

(more info from case found in bgw's post in previous diary)

One resident of the Field Village of the Terrace Village, the Terrace Subdistrict NY GL, 65, must be treated in isolation space RS Boyolali Charcoal Pandanus because of being worried as the patient suspect avian influenza (AI) or bird flu.
This was also done after hundreds of chickens were in the village of the patient's residence stated positive was attacked by the AI virus last week.
At this time, NY GL underwent the intensive maintenance in RSU Boyolali Charcoal Pandanus.
Now, the Livestock Breeding Service and fisheries (Disnakan) Boyolali will not carry out the extermination of the poultry in this village.

The patient entered RSU Charcoal Pandanus on Wednesday (18/4) around struck 21.30 of WIB. Director RSU Boyolali Charcoal Pandanus Dr Umi Haniek said although not yet berstatus suspect AI, the handling of the patient continued to be carried out like the handling procedure suspect AI. "Hal was caused by the patient came from the area that has been stated was gotten by the AI virus in several of his poultries.
Moreover, the patient also experienced breathless, hot, in accordance with the characteristics of affected AI" humankind he said to the reporter in the Boyolali Regional Government, on Thursday (19/4).

Umi added at this time this patient still in observation of the team of the doctor RSU Charcoal Pandanus.
Hoped in the next two days, results of the observation could have been known.
In the observation, his side carried out the handling was the same as the positive patient AI. "Termasuk in the laboratory inspection and x-rayed torax the patient to know the condition lungs-paru," more he.
Umi explained with the determination of the patient who was suspected suspect that was handled with the AI procedure, it was hoped the handling could be more directed.
Moreover, domisili the patient that was in the positive AI area, that that caused his side to appoint the patient to be placed in special isolation space the handling AI. At This Time, explained Umi, RSU Charcoal Pandanus had two spaces that were used especially for the handling AI. Now, the DKS Boyolali Head Dr Syamsudin MKes said with the discovery of one patient who was worried suspect AI, his side also carried out the tightening of the supervision of the resident, especially against the family that live in close to the patient.
The DKS side will also take the sample of blood of the families and the patient's neighbour.
"Langkah that to support the handling so that the virus does not spread.
At this time still in the level of epidemiology investigation (PE) ," firm he.

The extermination massal
Now, from observation Expose, in the Field Village, the Terrace Village, several powers vaksinator Disnakan began to carry out the mass vaccination the available poultry in this village.
The officials vaksinator in a door manner to door visited the resident's houses that had the poultry.
The head of the Village (Kadus) the Saronto Field estimated the number of poultries in his territory reached thousands of tails.
At this time the poultry that died has reached around the 200 's the tail.
"Kemungkinan will improve the number of poultries that died, but was not yet done by us more detailed data collection.
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was separated, the Head of Disnakan Boyolali drh Djoko Waluyo stated his side will not carry out the extermination of the poultry in a mass fashion in the Field, although being found by the chicken in this village was positive AI. "Pasal the number of available poultries in the area was relatively small.
So as we need not yet carry out depopulation.
{Comment:  These last few paragraphs, seem contradictory to me, to the rest of the article.  They are now testing the neighbors & family by taking blood, yet, they downplay the extermination of the  poultry.....}
http://www.boyolali....

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 12:09:47 PM UTC

More on NY Gito Legiyem (65)

http://222.124.164.1...

"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson

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by: History Lover @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 15:25:14 PM UTC

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Hi Mojo

I found a site you may be interested in.  I wanted to find more info on the new case bgw inMT found late yesterday, so I googled "RSU Pandan Arang Boyolali".  That's the hospital.  First thing on the list was this site - with the "new" patient.  Good news about this site:  it has a search feature  :-).  Bad news:  It runs slowly.
If you would like it, let me know and I'll add it to your list.  If not, I'll keep an eye on it.

http://www.boyolali....

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 12:27:05 PM UTC

well....

the search feature is useless.  Nothing in order, according to date.  And this particular patient was not the first thing on the list at google,  it was something from 2006, but this new case was the second article down under "berita" to the left, which was current articles.  This site is very very slow, and I wouldn't give it to you because of that.  But it's up to you if you want to take it.

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 12:52:07 PM UTC

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Commonground

It is slow as molassas but I'll take it!

Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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by: mojo @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 21:12:48 PM UTC

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mojo, I'm so sorry you are taking that slow site

I'm down to like 6, and only 2-3 have any good news.  Just click on it, slap a new coat of paint on the outside of the house, and when you get done....it will have opened.....  :-(
Metronews has been dog slow lately.  I click on it, go empty the dishwasher, and come back....don't have the patience I used to when I was younger.  I'll put it down under your name.

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 22:02:21 PM UTC

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Mojo, here is a site that has an arsip berita (an index).

http://www.beritakot...

It doesn't get a lot of stories but it is quick to check. If It doesn't have any stories in the list, they may not have listed the new index yet. To get a previous index, click "Cari" at the left, by the search box. This takes you to a previous index. Down at the bottom of this page you can go back to more previous days by clicking on the date.

The cari to the left of the index is also a good search box. To use it as a search, type in your search term then click "cari". This site has had several stories on flu burung in the last week.  I can't get the search box on the home page to work right, but the search on the page with the index works fine (as of now...can't guarantee the future...LOL). If you want the site, just let me know.

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by: bgw in MT @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 00:14:16 AM UTC

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Aditya Aria, 4 Months, Goes Home

April 20, 2007 - www.klik-galamedia.com
Click on "Tatar Bandung"

(Finally a doctor, Dr. Hadi Yusuf confirms what we have suspected all along.  It is not possible for infants this young to contract H5N1 from poultry.  He surmises if an infant has contracted H5N1, it would be from contact with others.)

Contracted the Inflammation lungs-paru the Burung Aria of the Flu Negative RSHS, (GM).
- the Aditya Aria (4 months), the resident So that the Main Point of RT 04/RW 11 Kel.  The round, Kec.
The Ciparay round, Bandung, was permitted to come home by the medical team of the Handsome Sadikin Hospital (RSHS) Bandung, on Thursday (19/4) approximately struck 13.
30 WIB.  The aria was permitted to come home along with the issuing produced by the inspection of the Body of Health Research And Development (Balitbangkes) that stated, he was negative tertular the bird flu virus.

The chairman of the Team of the Handling of Bird Flu of RSHS Bandung, Dr. Hadi Yusuf to "GM" confirmed, the Aria was permitted to come home from Poinciana Tree Space RSHS. he said, the end diagnosis that was given to the patient who was recorded as suspect 101st that pneumonia (the inflammation of the lungs). 

"Pneumonia that was suffered the Aria was not caused by the virus H5N1."  But, only was caused by normal germs, said Hadi.

Touched on concerning the age of the patient who still was classified as pre-schoolers and was having contact with the poultry died, Hadi explained, in a manner the patient's logic the Aria indeed was not possible to carry out contact with the poultry.  The matter that most possibly happened was parents or closest people who took care of the Aria.

"Indeed was not possible for pre-schoolers to be 4 months old carried out contact with the poultry."

Possibly parents or the caretaker of the patient that spread, he said.

 

"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson

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by: History Lover @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 14:21:12 PM UTC

About time, huh, History Lover? n/t

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 14:23:06 PM UTC

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Babies and H5N1

In some countries, women, while working and accomplishing all home tasks, carry their babies (all day long) on their bosoms, in other countries on their backs.

How do we know if a mother didn't pluck/disembowel/prepare a dead chicken while having the baby on her breast?

Also, many mothers giving their milk to their babies sleep with them in their arms, in any part of the world. Or take crying babies from their cots and soothe them in their beds until they fall asleep again. I recall that some Indonesian families hid chickens under their beds to avoid them being culled.

I would not dismiss these possibilities in assessing at what age a baby could catch bird flu...

Let me be blind to wicked text, deaf to wicked words, mute to wicked comments.

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by: FrenchieGirl @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 18:01:48 PM UTC

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Pregnant and H5N1

And what about a lightly clothed heavily pregnant women - what happens to the unborn baby if they catch BF? There was one case I think in Indo where they both died, no?

Is there some issue to explore here? If the pregnancy is far advanced, would it be worth trying to get the baby out to save it even if nothing can be done for the mother?

Should we start a thread to think about this issue?

Let me be blind to wicked text, deaf to wicked words, mute to wicked comments.

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by: FrenchieGirl @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 18:08:21 PM UTC

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...

I wouldn't think it would be advisable to try to save the baby - in a pandemic situation in which nothing could be done to save the mother, the baby, even if born alive, probably wouldn't stand a chance.

Perhaps I'm just feeling a bit fatalistic today.  :(

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by: Clawdia @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 18:34:24 PM UTC

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True but we're not in

a pandemic yet. There's still room to try and save unborn babies in Indo and Egypt if such cases arise now.

Let me be blind to wicked text, deaf to wicked words, mute to wicked comments.

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by: FrenchieGirl @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 18:54:17 PM UTC

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Misunderstood, sorry

FG - I thought you meant being in the midst of pandemic with people dying all around and under those circumstances trying to save a baby whose mother was dying of H5N1.

Now, well, I don't know if these places like Indo and Egypt are equipped to go to extraordinary lengths to save babies that in many instances would be premature.

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by: Clawdia @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 20:12:37 PM UTC

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If there's interest

I might start another thread during the weekend. Meanwhile how about Kangaroo care, see: www.med.unc.edu/obgyn/PDFs/bjm_04_kangaroo_care.pdf
Have to go now, ninight!

Let me be blind to wicked text, deaf to wicked words, mute to wicked comments.

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by: FrenchieGirl @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 20:27:21 PM UTC

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At what point do you take the child,

FrenchiGirl,

  At what point to you take the child?

  When the mom can no longer support herself and child? Ok how is that determined? Do you need 35th weeks of pregnacy, 32, 30? Do you give drugs to stimulate lung development for a few days?

  Can you test the child for AI antibodies? (has the virus passed through the placenta?)

  Can the mom breast feed or will she pass AI in the milk?

  Is the child kept isolated after birth?

  When the mom believes she will not make it and asks for the child to be taken?

  Having the father around - does that influence things? probably not, men have few rights as "its a womans body" (quoting here not passing judgement)

  Does hospital environment count? My guess is no.

Kobie
 

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by: Kobie @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 21:03:08 PM UTC

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In the 1918 pandemic, . . .

...the CFR for pregnant women who caught the flu was very high.  AFAIR, around 70%.  Seems the stress of pregnancy combined with the stress of flu is overwhelming

Interestingly, my father was born Sept. 12, 1918, in the midst of the pandemic heating up.  Unbelievable, how lucky he and my grandmother were to have avoided the flu, or lived through the infection...I don't know which.  They lived on a rural farm, and were quite self-sufficient, so that might have had something to do with it.

So, the trick w/pregnancy is to avoid the flu altogether.

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by: SoCal @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 15:01:50 PM UTC

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Frenchie Girl, you make some good points.

And we really don't know what effect the health authorities are having in trying to educate the public about bird flu. It seems, however, from some of the more recent stories that families are much more concerned than they were earlier, and I hope that would mean they are sheltering the children from possible infection.  But again, we are just speculating.

"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson

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by: History Lover @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 20:03:36 PM UTC

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Commonground, you said it! And you have e-mail.

"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson

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by: History Lover @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 16:21:59 PM UTC

Patient W (42) Tests Negative

http://222.124.164.1...

On Friday, on April 20 2007, Yogyakarta
YOGYA (KR) - the Patient who was expected suspect bird flu might leave Isolation Space of RSUP Dr Sardjito after results of the fast test of Balitbangkes Jakarta stated the negative.W (42) from Potorono, Banguntapan, Bantul was stated by the bird flu negative, so as to be able to come home since last Thursday (19/4).  Therefore up until yesterday in RSUP Dr Sardjito already did not have again the patient suspect bird flu.

  "Hasil rapid test from Balitbangkes Jakarta said that was relevant the negative so as to have been permitted to come home, the condition for his health has been restored, might not be very old in RSUP Dr Sardjito," the legal headword and public relations of RSUP Dr Sardjito Drs Trisno Heru Nugroho MKes, when it was confirmed about the patient suspect bird flu that was reconciled in RSUP Dr Sardjito several previous days.  According to him, before the patient W came home on last Thursday, the patient suspect bird flu beforehand also has been permitted to come home because of being proven to be negative.

The three patients of N (7) the woman from Godean, T (41) the man from Playen, Gunungkidul and T (19 months) the child from the patient T. since January 2007 to Thursday was recorded by 24 patients suspect bird flu once in treated in RSUP Dr Sardjito and one including dying from Magelang.

(more

"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson

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by: History Lover @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 16:39:05 PM UTC

New Case

http://www.jawapos.c...

NAME (SEX,AGE):  Mustafa (?, 59)

HOSPITAL AND ADMISSION: treated in the local Community Health Centre, before finally was sent to RSUD Situbondo,around struck 24.30 nights yesterday

REGENCY:Situbondo

RESIDENCE: Krajan I Village, RT 02/02, of the Arjasa Village,

April 21, 2007-The turn Arjasa was haunted by Burung Flu- One Resident Suspect, Belasan the Mati

  ARJASA-Poultry - the Plague of the bird flu virus (H5N1) still continued to haunt the resident Situbondo. This time began to be switching to the Village/the Arjasa Subdistrict.

Yesterday, belasan the tail of the chicken belonging to Mustafa, 59, the resident of the Krajan I Village, RT 02/02, of the Arjasa Village, died suddenly. Moreover, several hours afterwards, Maksum, 55, the local resident, suddenly also was attacked by the sign similar to bird flu. Apart from nauseas, breathless, Maksum also experienced the quite high fever. This Mustafa brother-in-law could be treated in the local Community Health Centre, before finally was sent to RSUD Situbondo, around struck 24.30 nights yesterday.

After undergoing the inspection, the RSUD side decided to reconcile Maksum to RS Dr Soebandi, Jember. That after, the Medical RSUD Situbondo Team stated Maksum suspect bird flu. "Results" of the "temporary diagnosis, the patient Maksum indeed suspect bird flu." Therefore was sent by us to the Jember hospital, to be carried out by observation more in, said Director RSUD Situbondo drg Eddy Purnomo to this newspaper, yesterday.

During in RSUD Situbondo, Maksum could undergo the laboratory inspection. Results, according to Eddy, the condition the patient headed to normal. Nevertheless, from results of the photograph rongent tended to arouse suspicion if the patient suspect bird flu. The suspicion was increasingly strong, after seeing the medical sign of the patient who headed resembled bird flu.

"Moreover, before being sick the patient reportedly could contact with the poultry that died." Therefore, to ascertain his illness the patient was reconciled by us to RS Jember, accused Eddy. This newspaper information mentioned, Maksum began to be attacked by the fever around struck 18.00 nights yesterday.

Before falling ill, totalling 10 chickens belonging to Mustafa died suddenly. The distance of the death 10 tails of the poultry almost simultaneously, around struck 12.00 afternoon. Because suspicious, the death 10 tails of the poultry were at once reported to the Livestock Breeding Service (Disnak) local.

From results of the fast inspection (repeat test) that was carried out by Disnak, totalling 10 tails of the poultry died that was stated suspect bird flu. "If the death" of "his poultry, from results repeat test his information indeed suspect." Therefore, we must be with the condition for this patient on the alert, said Dr Margianti, the doctor who treated Maksum during still in UGD RSUD Situbondo, the night yesterday.

Now the Maksum house with Mustafa this, his location berdempetan (attatched to). Moreover, in the afternoon after belasan the tail of the poultry belonging to Mustafa died, the turn of a chicken belonging to Maksum that died suddenly. Nah, this poultry that it seems could direct contact with his owner, Maksum. Because, before the chicken died, Maksum could give coconut oil to his chicken. "My chicken that died 10 tails." The carcass that my 9 tails discarded, that one I the grave. That was buried this that was examined. He said my chicken was affected by bird flu, said Mustafa, yesterday. Moreover his information, after Maksum was sent to RSUD Situbondo, the chicken that died belonging to Mustafa improved 2 tails.

The chicken suddenly fell from the location of his sleep on trees close to his house. Because restless, 4 chickens belonging to Mustafa yesterday also at once were shot dead by his family, by using the air rifle. After that, the chicken carcass was at once burnt. "That was carried out on the awareness personally." Because, now the resident here very restless. Therefore, we asked the related side intensively to handle the case of the assumption of this bird flu, urged H Sutaryo, the local resident.

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by: bgw in MT @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 22:42:41 PM UTC

bgw in MT

Looks like, at least in this case,they aren't just relying only on the laboratory results.

"Results, according to Eddy, the condition the patient headed to normal. Nevertheless, from results of the photograph rongent tended to arouse suspicion if the patient suspect bird flu. The suspicion was increasingly strong, after seeing the medical sign of the patient who headed resembled bird flu."

I read this as the blood work was near normal but the X-ray of the lungs and the symptoms the patient is experiencing is leading them to believe he does have bird flu. Could it mean they are finally waking up to what we suspect has been many cases of false negatives? I sure hope so.

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 00:01:07 AM UTC

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It could be, Carol. I think this Situbondo sub-district is getting

wise to the whole state of affairs. The people and doctors may be just about ready to call a spade, a spade. (Colloquialism for stating the way a situation truly is, for those of you from other countries.)

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by: bgw in MT @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 01:10:30 AM UTC

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The patient's name should be Maksum NOT Mustafa....That's what I get for trying to do this when little brain is on overload.

Mustafa's chicken's just died. So far as I know he is not sick.

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by: bgw in MT @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 01:04:42 AM UTC

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More on Maksum and his village

http://www.jatim.go....

It was OTHER that the PATIENT SUSPECT BIRD FLU was reconciled to RSU Dr. SUBANDI JEMBER. -the News of the Health - the Service of Infokom & PDE Kab.- 21-04-2007 09:09 WIB -

Situbondo: the Patient who was expected suspect bird flu was named Maksum (55tahun) the resident of the Wira Krama Village, the Arjasa Village, of the Arjasa Subdistrict, Maksum was reconciled to RSU Dr. Subandi Jember with the condition for the temperature of his body was very high moreover casualties also experienced breathless was accompanied by coughs and nausea, the concern would terjangkit the virus avian this influenza quite justified because beforehand the resident could be startled with the death of dozens of tails of the chicken, everything at the time of dozens of chickens died suddenly casualties could direct contact with this chicken carcass.

The data that succeeded in being assembled mentioned, Maksum was sick that was similar with suspect the bird flu 4 hours after taking part in throwing the chicken carcass that died suddenly to the river, away this chicken belonging to Mustofa that actually casualties's brother-in-law, after terjangkit the illness that his sign was similar suspect bird flu of casualties's family had finally run off with casualties to the local community health centre but by the Maksum community health centre side was suggested by the hospitalisation in RSUD Situbondo through to finally was reconciled to RSU Dr. Subandi Jember.

The official of government Livestock Breeding of the Situbondo Regency of the Service said dozens of tails of the poultry that died suddenly that was positive terjangkit the illness avian influenza.

In the meantime dozens of residents of the Village of Wira Krama the Village Arjasa the Arjasa Subdistrict at once destroyed dozens of his kept poultries willingly they worried on the spreading of the bird flu virus  ditempat {in place} remained at them, for mesterilkan the Livestock Breeding Service.

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by: bgw in MT @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 16:10:11 PM UTC

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Another paragraph

http://situbondo.go....

Carol, another site had the identical article with one extra paragraph:

In the meantime Director RSUD Situbondo, Dr. Edi Pornomo justified one of the patients who was expected terjangkit suspect this bird flu and was based on results of the inspection of the condition laboratory maksum in fact still was normal but because of information that casualties could direct
contact

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by: bgw in MT @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 16:40:59 PM UTC

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Three in Dr Soedono Madiun negative

  http://www.jawapos.c...

  On Saturday, April 21 2007--ascertained the Burung Flu Negative

Three patients who were treated in RSUP observation space Dr Soedono Madiun was stated by the bird flu negative. The patient from Jomblang, Pa's Village, Mantingan, Ngawi, had the initials SA, 17, even yesterday might have come home. While two other patients, namely the mother and the child respectively had the initials R, 32 and Rr, 1.5 years, from the Gondang Village, Nganjuk, have been moved by his maintenance to Jasmine space and Wijayakusuma, the reconciliation hospital belonging to the East Java Provincial Government."Two patients from Nganjuk no longer were treated in observation space."

Three patients suspect was stated by the bird flu negative, explained Sugeng Harijanto, RSUP public relations Dr Soedono Madiun it was confirmed this newspaper, yesterday. Sugeng explained, assurance information of the status the three of them were obtained via the telephone. That is, from the Health Laboratory of the Area (Labkesda) Surabaya. According to him, currently the laboratory could in Surabaya check the assurance whether someone suffered bird flu or not.

"His information (yesterday, red)." That from Ngawi at once was permitted to come home. So, now did not have the patient who was treated in observation space (the place of the maintenance of the patient suspect bird flu, red), he explained. Two patients from the Jomblang Nganjuk Village, said Sugeng, currently are treated because of suffering pneumonia. Whereas the child, suffered the bad nutrient and still must be treated to restore his condition. "Now the maintenance for both of them is normal." His maintenance for the pneumonia diagnosis and the bad nutrient, added Sugeng.

Added, if being permitted to come home, the patient from Nganjuk especially the child who was 1.5 years old, must get special attention from the Health Service and the local Community Health Centre.This, was related to restoration of the condition for his nutrient. In RSUP Dr Soedono Madiun, was recorded has treated as many as 14 patients suspect bird flu. Although, was based on results of their laboratory was negative. Beforehand, several patients suspect bird flu that was treated among them from the Madiun Regency territory.

In the territory of Eks Karesidenan Madiun, currently still had one patient that suspect that is from Ngawi. But, currently the patient is treated in Solo Central Java.

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by: bgw in MT @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 22:59:17 PM UTC

Cases in Java seem to be spreading since January.

First there were large outbreaks in West Java, then East Java, back to West and now central. Are there bird outbreaks that correspond? If not, what might be causing these clusters to jump area to area and back and forth, rather than slow geographical spread. Sounds like H2H, from the pattern.

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 08:12:02 AM UTC

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Malik Peiris (hopefully) to the rescue!

http://www.suarasura...

NOTE:I think this is an important article. Evidently Malik Peiris is going to Suraybaya to help Airlangga University (Unair) with some research. It sounds like he is going to have to go in the market himself to do it. I would have thought that was unnecessary but Indonesia sounds like they are playing diva again. While they have the whip hand they are going to use it, I guess. They refuse to sign something or other until later. They make it sound like they are doing Malik Peiris the favor by letting him work in their country. Maybe my interpretation is wrong. I have put translations for the untranslated words in {...}. I hope they help and don't hinder. Maybe SusanC will be able to read more into it.

On April 19 2007, 19:24:32, the Report on J. Totok Sumarno

UNAIR was 'applied for by' The University' of Hongkong

Suarasurabaya.net|- After being "applied for by" Kumamoto University" (Japan) to co-operate the research (joint research) last February 2007, the Airlangga University (Unair), on Thursday (19/04) also "dipinang" by The University of Hong Kong (TUH), for the same aim.

Prof. J. S. M. PEIRIS the representative from the eldest university in this Hong Kong, that also the professor and the microbiology expert, when berta you to Prof. Dr. FASICH, Apt, the Rector Unair, said wanted to bring about relations joint research with the experts in Unair. The rector received his guest by being accompanied by Prof. Hj. ROMZIAH the EXAMINATION, drh, PhD, the Dean Fak.

It was medical that the Animal (FKH) and the Head of Sector the Partnership and international relations Dr. RAHMA IDA M.Com. "Kita {We} acknowledged had several big problems that struck the world, especially in the Asian territory. One problem was the virus avian invluenza. It was for that purpose The University of Hong Kong did not reject the role of the tertiary institution in Indonesia as the partner in developing knowledge. And Unair we the good and consistent look in the problem ini{this}," said Prof. PEIRIS.

According to PEIRIS, bird flu grew into a big problem of the world. By carrying out research collaboration together, he be certain of could make the map permasalah {masalah =problem} became better. "Pasal {section} him, the government could not continue supervised where someone went outside-entered Hong Kong or Indonesia with various affairs. With the thorough and complete research, was hoped for could do maintenance until did screening against AI sendiri {alone}," said Prof. PEIRIS.

The plan is, Prof. PEIRIS, quoted the press release that was accepted suarasurabaya.net, on Thursday (19/04) will with the researcher Unair carry out the research in two traditional markets in the Surabaya City, namely the Pucang Market and Bratang. Results of the temporary research will be discussed Officially Livestock Breeding of the Surabaya Municipal Government. Was asked the reporter about readiness him to leave-entered the traditional market that was identical to muddy and dirty?

Prof. PEIRIS has understood that. "Justru {exactly} the condition was like this (dirty: Red) that possibly we could study and find the foundations of the problem of sana {there}," the expert's words microbiology in The University of Hong Kong this.

Now Prof. FASICH explained, possibly carried out the research co-operation, but that was more important than that was his operational reality. So, his side will not sign nota  {note} kesepahaman (MoU) with TUH before, but Unair more liked to begin this co-operation with the real activity in the field.

"Belajar {learned} from the experience, activity that was far more important. Usually MoU that only orders statement without the activity. But if MoU diteken {in signing} after the reality in the field, that just was realistic and afterwards later was carried out by us the scientific publication together.

Now was first the first of the research, just later to be compiled by us draft MoU," said Prof. FASICH.  If research collaboration of Unair-TUH this was successful, then will produce epidemologi biomolekuler in the case AI. So only did not do the mapping in an epidemologi manner, the research will also refer in the process of economics in the market.

The Tuh side want to knew so details of patterns and the source of the cause of bird flu in Indonesia." Mereka {they} (Hong Kong) realised, for this case even could not isolate himself, fortified himself from the problem. And from at this time he will take part in overcoming the problem of tersebut {talked about}," pungkas Prof. FASICH. because of this co-operation a part of long the program term, according to Prof. FASICH, would many co-operation opportunities between the two universities for the period in the future, for example as far as the level of the study program."Dan {And] that really enabled, Unair already BHMN, matters like that must not lapor {report} Menteri {Minister}," firm Prof. FASICH.

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by: bgw in MT @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 04:20:27 AM UTC

this looks to me like

they are going to do epidemiological studies in the markets.  One of the gaps in scientists' understanding of what is happening in Indonesia has been the lack of data on avian sequences.  Sampling in the wet markets is a key activity which will tell us a lot about how the virus evolves. 

This type of research has been done for a number of years in the university of Hong Kong, primarily on samples from the markets of southern China.  The 'discovery' of the Fujian-like dominant strain was the result of such a survey.

Malik Peiris and his colleague Guan Yi are probably two of the most experienced and knowledgeable researchers on this kind of surveillance.  Read this article from TIME magazine http://www.time.com/...

...I traveled around the world, speaking with virologists, epidemiologists and public-health officials in Geneva, Rotterdam, New York, Atlanta and Beijing before I finally figured out that the true heroes in the fight against SARS were right in Hong Kong.....  Peiris and his team were the first to identify the agent that causes SARS. Guan, through his network of contacts in southern China, was the first to label the wild-animal markets of Guangzhou as a byway through which the virus came to infect humans. He had spent months in those markets himself, drawing blood and swabbing for feces in order to map out the early epidemiology of the virus. His research would compel Chinese authorities to shut down the markets, possibly a key step in preventing subsequent outbreaks.

All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...

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by: SusanC @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 21:00:33 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

bgw

It sounds like he is going to have to go in the market himself to do it. I would have thought that was unnecessary but Indonesia sounds like they are playing diva again.

Actually, it is very important that Malik gets first hand knowledge of the conditions in Indonesian markets and their practices in detail.  Epidemiology is not a dry and routine science.  It's a lot of detective work.  You are much more likely to find vital clues if the-guy-who-knows-what-questions-to-ask goes to the crime scene himself!

They refuse to sign something or other until later. They make it sound like they are doing Malik Peiris the favor by letting him work in their country.

I can't figure out what that might be, but this is followed by comments on joint publication of research, so it may refer to some arrangements for data sharing or funding, maybe.  Just guessing.

They are doing each other, and the world, a favor.  ;-)



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...

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by: SusanC @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 21:17:21 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Thanks for the insight, SusanC. Sometimes lack of knowledge

leads us to make wrong inferences. Now that you mention it I can see the importance of him being actually in the market. Surely he doesn't have to swab duck bottoms though, I hope.

The whole world will benefit from this for sure. Every little piece of knowledge will help.

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 22:41:03 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

swabbing duck bottoms ;-)

The best scientists are often those who stay hands-on no matter how successful or famous.  Or, sometimes it's because they just can't keep away!



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...

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by: SusanC @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 00:19:48 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

No mention of Malik Peiris in this article, but it deals with the

same agreement to do cooperative research. Maybe they just don't know he's one of the world's top experts in the field. I hope he gets access to some samples that they can research and sequence in Hong Kong. I would still like to know what "kesepahaman" means.

http://www.jawapos.c...

April 23, 2007 - Unair-TUH Thorough Burung Flu The Pucang market and Bratang was Objek

Surabaya - the Airlangga University will establish join the research concerning the virus Avian influenza (AI) or bird flu with The University of Hong Kong (TUH). The Pucang market and the Bratang Market will become the object of this research. According to the Rector Unair Prof Dr Fasichul Oral Apt, the research together this will be carried out in the near future. Well Unair and TUH agreed, the AI virus was one of the big problems that struck the world, especially in the Asian territory. So, immediately must be overcome. "The University of Hong Kong wanted to look for the partner who it was considered had the quality and consistency in this virus research," said Fasich.

TUH hoped by establishing the research with Unair, the map of the problem could be made better. Through the accurate and complete research, the handling through to screening towards the bird flu virus could be carried out. "Results" of the "research will to two markets be discussed Officially Municipal Government Livestock Breeding," continued the academic from the Gate. The research point that was chosen deliberate muddy and dirty places.

His article, from the medium like that possibly will be found by the foundations of the problem of the spreading of the virus. The success of research collaboration of Unair-TUH was expected to be able to photograph the spreading of this bird flu virus. "TUH want to knew so details" of "patterns and the source" of the "cause" of "bird flu in Indonesia," said the professor of the pharmacy.

According to Fasich, the community preferably began realise that all must take part in being involved in resolving the problem of the bird flu illness. "Could not be completed if we even isolated or fortified ourselves from this problem," he said.

The work with Unair with one of the eldest universities in Hong Kong indeed was not written in one nota kesepahaman. According to Fasich, join this research more it was stressed in the operational assurance. "Unair chose to begin the work was the same as the real activity in the field," he stressed. Fasich said, learned from the experience, the activity must be it was thought more important.

Nota kesepahaman often stopped at the statement order without the action. "We would meneken {sign} nota {note} kesepahaman after carrying out the research," he continued.Fasich added, the collaboration research that will be carried out was to long-term.

Unair will also continue to look for and welcome the opportunity of the research co-operation with the other tertiary institution.
(ara)

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 22:27:25 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

NEW CASES - RS M. Djamil Padang, W. Sumatra

One Patient Suspect Bird Flu in West Sumatra Still Kritis

Padang -- MIOL: the Ferry, 80, the patient suspect bird flu from Batang Kapas, the South coastal Regency, West Sumatra (West Sumatra) still was critical in the Hospital (RS) M. Djamil Padang, on Saturday (21/4).
His condition did not yet show signs of the improvement.
The ferry was still using the infusion and respiratory aids.
The breathless illness that was suffered by him also got serious.
He began to be treated in space of the isolation of the floor internal disease of three RS M. Djamil Padang since last Sunday (15/4).
"Feri was treated in RS M. Djamil because of suffering the sign similar to bird flu, like the high fever, the cough and breathless.
He also it was known had the story of contact with the poultry one week before dirawat," the headword of the Medic's Service RS M. Djamil Padang Irayanti.
He said, results rapid test that was carried out RS M. Djamil Padang against the Ferry showed results of bird flu of the negative.
However to ascertain him not terjangkit bird flu, RS M. Djamil was still being waiting for results of the blood test and throat mucus of the Research And Development Hall (Balitbang) Department of Health RI.

Apart from the Ferry, RS M. Djamil also still was treating two patients suspect bird flu.
Both of them were Refi, 17 months, the resident Tarusan, the South coastal Regency, and Zahra, 2, the resident of the Black Stump, the Padang City.
The condition both of them gradually improved.
They at this time no longer use the infusion and respiratory aids in space of the isolation of the floor internal disease of three RS M. Djamil Padang.
The two pre-schoolers underwent the maintenance more than four days.
"Hasil rapid test both of them showed the negative terjangkit bird flu.
However to confirm both of them were not attacked by our bird flu still was waiting for results of the test of Balitbangkes Jakarta," Irayanti words.
He said, the case suspect bird flu that was handled RS M. Djamil Padang experienced the increase from the year beforehand.
To mid April 2007, RS M. Djamil Padang treated 34 patients was expected by bird flu, one including being positive terjangkit bird flu.
As for last year, RS M. Djamil Padang treated 11 patients.
http://www.media-ind...

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 10:32:09 AM UTC

Untranslated location of Zahra (2)

Black Stump =  Tunggul Hitam

Couldn't find Tunggul Hitam anywhere but Malaysia.

Here's the map:  http://tinyurl.com/3...

It appears that Tarusan (Refi) is about 20 miles south along the coast from Padang (Zahra).
I can't find where Ferry (80) is from.  Batang Kapas.  At least I tried.

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 11:45:57 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Are there any fluwiki archives of statistical data on cases?

I know fluwiki has been tracking cases for some time now, and I was just wondering if anyone kept an archive file anywhere that listed the suspect cases etc last year, so we could compare them to this years cases.

I recall asking previously about any kind of statistics related to how many flu cases might Indonesia be normally expected to have, and of these what percentage might be expected to turn into pneumonia.

What I am trying to figure out, one way or the other, is the lingering, nagging question we all have asked time and again: are the "negatives" truly negative?  Is it possible/likely that there could be this many seriously ill with secondary complications from ordinary flu, including pneumonia, low thrombocytes and leucocytes, the need for ventilators and intensive care treatment. Is this number of complications within the normal, expected range in a given flu season?

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 18:23:55 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

As far as I know, the New Cases Diary, was only started

in January.Influentia, or Pugmom, or Commonground should be able to tell you if there was an earlier one.

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 18:47:47 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

More on 3 Cases in W. Sumatra

More on the 3 Cases in W. Sumatra. In the picture, looks like Zahra (2) is sitting up...good sign;

Metrotvnews.com, Padang: the regional Public Hospital (RSUD) Muhammad Djamil, Padang, West Sumatra, again treated three patients suspect bird flu.
A person among them evidently in the critical condition.
Two from three patients were pre-schoolers.
Both of them were Zahra from Padang North and Refi, the resident of the South Canal of the coastal Regency.
Whereas another was the mature patient was 80 years old.
He it was known was named the Ferry from Batang Kapas.
The three patients were treated for four days.
They experienced the sign of bird flu, like coughs, breathless and feverish high.
However, up to now, the hospital side was still being waiting for results of the blood test of the three patients of the Department of the Health in Jakarta.
According to the Head of the Field RSUD Muhammad Djamil, Irayanti, of the Medic's Service the case of bird flu in West Sumatra this year increased significant was compared 2006.
Since the beginning 2007, the patient who was treated has reached 34 people, whereas the year beforehand only 11 people.
From this number, three people were stated positive terjangkit bird flu
http://www.metrotvne...

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 11:07:14 AM UTC

Women Still Left High and Dry

http://www.thejakart...=
20070421.A06&irec=5
April 21, 2007

(This article gives some pertinent information concerning the health and educational welfare of women in Indonesia.)

ID Nugroho and Stevie Emilia, The Jakarta Post, Surabaya, Jakarta

The maternal mortality and illiteracy rates in East Java show that women have been neglected by development, activists said Friday.  In a demonstration held to observe Kartini Day, which falls on Saturday, activists from the Women's Pro-Democracy Committee urged the government to set up a system to ensure women were not considered second-class citizens.

"In our records, the maternal mortality rate in East Java is 364 per 100,000 births," said committee leader Erma Susanti at the protest outside the Grahadi building in Surabaya, East Java.

The 2005 World Health Report put the country's maternal mortality rate at 307 per 100,000 deliveries. The protesters also focused on the lack of a special budget to empower women, such as through improving mothers' health care. The absence of such a budget, Erma said, was responsible for the country's high number of illiterate women.

In East Java alone, 2.8 million had not been educated, she said. The committee also recorded that 17.4 percent of the province's 35 million residents were illiterate women.
Across the country, there are around 15 million illiterate men and women, they said.
(more)


"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson

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by: History Lover @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 14:59:41 PM UTC

Patient W (46) Treated in Dr. Moewardi Solo

http://222.124.164.1...
April 21, 2007

(I'm sure this person has already been included, but I can't find it this morning.  I'm typing with my eyes closed.)

On Saturday, on April 21 2007, Java Tengah
Again, the Patient Suspect AI; entered RSUD Dr Moewardi
the SOLO (KR) - Again, a patient suspect bird flu was treated in space of the isolation of the regional Public Hospital (RSUD) Dr Moewardi Solo, on Thursday (19/4).
The female patient had the initials W (46) that came from the Tegalrejo Village, the Widodaren Subdistrict, Ngawi, East Java, experienced hot high, the cough was accompanied breathless and currently still was treated intensive by the team of the control doctor Avian influenza (AI).
  the chairman of the Team of the AI RS Control Dr Moewardi Solo, Dr Reviono, on Thursday (19/4) to the reporter permitted the patient W to enter isolation space since April 16.

The "team" of the "doctor continued to monitor the development" of the "patient," he said.
Beforehand, W experienced hot high with the temperature of the body achieved 40 Celcius levels, the cough was accompanied breathless and after being carried out the photograph x-rayed was gotten by pneumonia on his lungs as well as the number of leucocytes totalling 5.
300.  Doctor Reviono added the patient could experience the sign failed the breath on April 16, so as the team of the doctor immediately put to isolation space.

The doctor's efforts among them did wiped off the throat totalling three times.  First results evidently the negative, but the condition for the patient stayed stable in the condition for early entered, then continued to be put into isolation space while being waiting for results of the second and third test, said Dr Reviono.  The patient, continued Dr Reviono was known beforehand carried out direct contact with the chicken died around his house.

Before entering RS Moewardi, W could be also treated in the Widodaren Community Health Centre, Ngawi, because has seven days experienced hot high was accompanied with the cough.
Finally the patient W was reconciled to RSUD Dr Moewardi Solo because of not experiencing the progress.

(more)

"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson

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by: History Lover @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 15:14:53 PM UTC

Indo Announcement

Great News!  Michelle is back!!!.  She agreed to take over keeping up with the spreadsheet!

I want to thank EveryBody for having patience while I was keeping up with it.  AnnieB & Carol especially!
So thank you all...
Tell Michelle welcome back!

Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have. ~ Margaret Mead

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by: FloridaGirl @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 16:11:42 PM UTC

Thanks again, FloridaGirl

for keeping up the spreadsheet while I was unable to spend time with it. You've done a great job.

Thanks also, AnnieB and Carol for all that you've done.  I'm trying to get up to speed on the names and record the latest cases and results.  We may need to coordinate efforts to keep from duplicating work.  Please feel free to e-mail me at the address shown in my profile.

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by: Michelle in OK @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 20:36:01 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

....

Thank you FloridaGirl for being so generous in helping out.  We all really appreciate it.  Our spreadsheet is so important to everyone.

Thanks MichelleinOK, for coming back to us!  We've missed you, and it will be great to  have you back.  Thank you for taking over the spreadsheet. 

:-)

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 17:06:06 PM UTC

I second that, Commonground. n/t

"I am opposed to any form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson

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by: History Lover @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 19:16:24 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Thanks again for the welcome, Commonground.

You all are amazingly organized.

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by: Michelle in OK @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 20:37:00 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Michelle & Florida Girl....

Welcome back Michelle! I will send you a copy of what I have tonight because I have entered some more information since I last sent a copy to Florida Girl. Maybe that will help you in getting up to speed on everything.

Florida Girl,I have really enjoyed working on the spreadsheet with you. You are a very nice lady and wonderful to work with.

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 22:03:33 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Ahhhh.... Carol

That is nice of you to say.... I am the one who gives you thanks......  You have been absolutely great. I loved reading the clarification discussion you and CG, Bgm, historylover, Influentia2,pugmom and everyone else have... Without those discussions.... I would not have been able to keep everything straight.  I certainly could not have asked the questions, posted them, waited on the answer, go back and find my place.... you get the picture.

You have ALL been great!

Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have. ~ Margaret Mead

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by: FloridaGirl @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 23:46:14 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

That is exactly the reason...

Why I agreed to keep up the spreadsheet..... But, I could never match the energy the Michelle could put into it. But, I walk away with the knowledge that the data is accrurate.  I am so grateful to Michelle in OK that her busy season is over and she is willing to resume the excellent work that she does here.

Everyone should know that there are many, many hours of work that goes into what the news sleths translate and post, whoever is keeping the spreadsheet up to date, and getting the summary tables into the diaries....

Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have. ~ Margaret Mead

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by: FloridaGirl @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 23:41:51 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

The patient Suspek AI entered, the Medical Team Berhamburan

Health care workers freak out?

MedanBisnis - Medan
the medical Official ought to indeed serve each patient well.
Including the patient who suffered the dangerous illness even.
But unfortunately, the attitude so that was not shown by the medical official RSU the Centre of H Adam the Owner, Medan, on Thursday (19/4).
That morning, the doctors and the nurse in the Serious Installation the Emergency (IGD) in this hospital, immediately jumped outside the room after they knew the assumption of the illness that was suffered by a patient who just entered.
He said began when a man had the initials S (54) that came to IGD with his wife of Nur Elida (44) with the complaint suspeck bird flu.
When they entered the room and informed his complaint that suspeck bird flu, spontaneous the doctors and the nurse jumped outside the room.
"Kok we came in IGD, the doctor and the frightened nurse and did not want to handle my husband.

Moreover they at once sentenced my husband suffered bird flu.
Frankly I was very disappointed with the doctor's action and the nurse in IGD," annoyed Nur Elida opposite the reporter and public relations of RSUP H Adam the Medan Owner the Ginting rays.

When giving the explanation to the reporter in A Longing space, Nur Elida terisak crying as the shape of his annoyance on the paramedic attitude in this hospital.
In fact, he continued, uptil now, the community was always appealed to to come to the hospital when experiencing the sign of the illness suspeck bird flu.

Received the Nur Elida acknowledgment, public relations of RSUP H Adam the Medan Owner most startled.
It was damaged that the intent rays calmed Nur Elida that was crying and promising to report the incident to Deputy Director I Dr M. Nur Rasyid Lubis SpB (Finacs).

snip
The inhabitants Street Al Falah VI No 15 Glugur this Medan Timur Subdistrict Land said, his husband was reconciled to RSUP H Adam the Medan Owner on the guidance Dr Zurial Zubir SpPD where beforehand, on Wednesday night (18/4) S received the maintenance in the place of the practice in Street Pertahanan
"Suami I experienced the fever, the cough and breathless for three days after contact with the chicken peliharan we who died.

His work the welder and strong smoked.
Indeed he has for a long time been sick the lungs.
But he said not be the same saya," mentioned Nur Elida sembari added after being checked and carried out the photograph toraks, results of the S lungs were seen dirty.
Nur Elida said, their kept chicken died was in order.

The first incident, on Friday night (13/4), his two chickens died.
The next night two chickens peliharan him following died.
"Jumlah our chicken livestock 20 tails.
All of them were penned under the house.

snip
Touched on whether his husband direct contact with the kept poultry, Nur Elida said when burying the chicken that died, his husband wore gloves.
"Suami I has understood how him to be not affected.
We did not yet know whether the kept chicken that died positive bird flu.

snip
Concerning his condition, mentioned the rays, the temperature of the S body around 36.5 levels celcius and his situation was normal.
The temperature of the body 36.5 levels celcius, blood pressure 130/80 and the pulse 88 times permenit.
Only the side of RSUP H Adam the Medan Owner continued to give the service because S it was known had the story of direct contact with his kept poultry that died.
"S come here on his will personally after being suggested by the doctor who beforehand treated him.
It was not yet known whether he suffered bird flu.
We again did the photograph toraks.
Whereas asupan the throat, the nose as well as the sample of blood will be taken by the official Dinkes Sumut," he explained.
http://www.medanbisn...

Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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by: mojo @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 18:12:16 PM UTC

Hi mojo

that site you got this from was one of my favorite's for information.  Glad you got this case.  Now, you've got to log it into our "New Case Diary".

Indonesia, New Cases list Jan 25th (name of Diary).
You can get easy access to this diary, at the top of every Indo diary where it says this:  "If you identify new cases, please post a summary of the relevant information here to help other news searchers quickly see recent updates.".  Just click on the blue word "here", and it brings you there.  Read the first thread by SusanC to explain the procedure.  AnnieB and now, Michelle in OK, and Carol in SC  use this important diary to keep their information up-to-date.

Thanks for helping us keep track. 

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 19:24:37 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Ok, I did it

I am not up to date on all the towns so am not sure if I got that part right. I posted what I thought the location was from the article.
If I did it wrong please let me know so I can do it better next time.

Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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by: mojo @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 20:35:23 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

You did fine

I usually copy the location sentence right from the article also.  If you hear a location that sounds wrong (english version because of toggletext), try to post the original text in the article.  It helps to look up locations on the map.
The only thing I would ask, is that you include the whole post signature.  Guess that's what it's called:
mojo @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 16:35:23 PM EDT

Welcome to our world of tracking.  :-)


I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 20:47:42 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

The original article link also

has come in quite handy.... There have been questions about the indo cases, since WHO is not reporting them at this time.  I started adding them to the spreadsheet and will continue to do so... because mostly I need the validation of when family members are ill, in the hospital or died before testing.

I hope that Indonesia and WHO will get their act together soon, so we can at least have another source for additional verification.

Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have. ~ Margaret Mead

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by: FloridaGirl @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 21:39:03 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Huh. He doesn't sound that sick

"...temperature of the S body around 36.5 levels celcius and his situation was normal.
The temperature of the body 36.5 levels celcius, blood pressure 130/80 and the pulse 88 times permenit."

I should be so healthy.  T=36.5C is about 97.7F

Meteorologist in Florida!?!  Now we're talkin'!!!

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by: Tempest @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 23:13:39 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

I know

that is why the fact that the health care workers were so freaked makes no sense.

Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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by: mojo @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 23:20:25 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Jumpy jumpy I guess. I'd definitely be worried after hearing about his dead birds too. n/t

Meteorologist in Florida!?!  Now we're talkin'!!!

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by: Tempest @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 23:25:04 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

We may not have heard anything else about those HCW's that were hospitalized recently but other HCW's, including these, may know a lot about them!

News has a way of rapidly traveling through the medical community. This is a huge indication that they know something scarey.

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 00:10:16 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

I could probably do without his emphysema or asthma or whatever though n/t

Meteorologist in Florida!?!  Now we're talkin'!!!

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by: Tempest @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 23:23:38 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Ten-word Toggletext

I'm working on a little stand-alone applet that will let us translate ten (or maybe a few more) words at a time when Toggletext is down.  There'll be a place to paste the sentence, and it'll fill in the English.  You'll be able to see ten words on the screen (or more if I can fit them on), and you can choose which definition you want, and drag it to a blank field below, where you can play with the word order, and copy it to paste into Word or Notepad or whatever.  So, something like:

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Sentence in Indonesian--
Saat ini kesehatan paru, masih menjadi masalah kesehatan masyarakat Indonesia

Individual words--

Saat	time, hour, moment
ini	this
kesehatan	health
paru	lung
masih	still
menjadi	be, become, serve as
masalah	question, issue, matter, problem
kesehatan	health
masyarakat	community, society, people
Indonesia	Indonesia

Definitions dragged from above--
time this health lung still be problem health people Indonesia
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It ain't Toggletext, but I think being able to see a whole sentence will make translating much easier.  And best of all -- it's free! 

The format is just off the top of my head, so if y'all think of a better way to arrange the screen, please chime in.

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by: dbg @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 19:55:35 PM UTC

Thank you! Isn't that terrific!

I like that format.  And sometimes, when TT is down, a sentence or two makes all the difference in the world.  You are a dream  :-)  (now that's an old expression!).

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 20:06:39 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

I dreamed I was a translator in my...

if you remember the rest of that, you're almost as old as I am! 

I should be able to put the first version out there by next weekend.  I probably won't be able to get all the words in by then, but I'll put what I have, and add more as I can.  I'm getting the list of Indonesian words from http://www.seasite.n... and I'm putting the prefix+base or base+suffix in as separate words.  That's one of the hardest things about looking them up in a dictionary; trying to figure out what the base word is. 

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by: dbg @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 02:43:49 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Please! No underwear references!

I'm old too.

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by: RozGA @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 02:50:17 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

There are some free Indonesian dictionarys in software

form that you can download from the Babylon site. I found three of them. One of them has 60,00 plus words. They are done by volunteer individuals so I presume they don't belong to Babylon. I have no idea about computer programming, so I don't know whether you could make any use of these or not. They are not stand-alone applications as far as I know.

The one called Balifolder was the biggest I believe. The names of the other two are Indonesian English Online and __Mas_NDon_Indonesian_to_Engli.BGL.

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by: bgw in MT @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 04:19:07 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Wonderful new, dbg! Thanks bunches!

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 00:06:05 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Mojo, I have a better site for you than the one that is slow as molasses.

That one is not just slow, it's just about nonfunctional. My email is in my profile, or write a message here if you want it. I'd just drop the other one if I were you. I found a whole bunch of sites like it that are plenty fast. I think these kind of sites, that end in .go.id are sites of the governments of the different regencies, or sub-districts, or what ever they call that level of government. They still have some good articles sometimes.

If anyone else wants a site let me know. I have been trialling several lately. I have a whole bunch more than I need. I don't keep them unless they have a workable search feature or a good index (or better yet, both),or I find several stories that make them worth being a pain in the neck.

 

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 00:21:06 AM UTC

Hi bgw

I'll be glad to take another.

Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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by: mojo @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 01:11:42 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Now, don't panic! You don't have to take all these! LOL

I told you I had found several sites of this type that were a lot better than the other site you were going to take because they loaded in a reasonable amount of time. I had looked through them and they seemed to be OK. Tonight, I went to my bookmarks file to get the links that I had made last night, and they weren't there! The browser program must have eaten a worm or something. LOL

Anyway I got busy and found a bunch more just like them, but I haven't had time to check them out. The first site I know all about because I have been checking it every day for the last two months. If you want it, you are welcome to it. As I said, I've got too many lined up anyway (not including these). Except for the first site, the links below are to new sites that aren't on anyone's list. I pulled them up once to see if they looked good, but did not check the search function or check to see if they had an index (sometimes called an indeks, arsip or arsip berita). Anybody that wants one of these is welcome to them but I'd advise checking them out before you sign up for one.

If anybody chooses the first one (jatim) let me know so I can take it off my list. Also I can give a couple of tips for searching this site. Jatim is where I got the story on Situbondo being overcapacity. 

http://www.jatim.go....

http://www.bps.go.id...

http://www.pacitan.g...

http://www.disnak-ja...

http://www.pamekasan...

http://www.mojokerto...

http://www.bandung.g...

http://karantina.dep...

http://www.garut.go....

http://www.surabaya....

http://www.pemkomeda...

http://www.dinkesjat...

http://www.aseanfoun...

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 03:08:37 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

I'll take the first one and that will give me 5

http://www.jatim.go....
I see it has a case on the front page. Have you logged that one? :)

Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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by: mojo @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 03:42:32 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

I see you have

A bit more info on him since I am here
It was OTHER that the PATIENT SUSPECT BIRD FLU was reconciled to RSU Dr. SUBANDI JEMBER. -the News of the Health - the Service of Infokom & PDE Kab.
Situbondo, 21-04-2007 09:09 WIB -
Situbondo: the Patient who was expected suspect bird flu was named Maksum (55tahun) the resident of the Wira Krama Village, the Arjasa Village, of the Arjasa Subdistrict, Maksum was reconciled to RSU Dr. Subandi Jember with the condition for the temperature of his body was very high moreover casualties also experienced breathless was accompanied by coughs and nausea, the concern would terjangkit the virus avian this influenza quite justified because beforehand the resident could be startled with the death of dozens of tails of the chicken, everything at the time of dozens of chickens died suddenly casualties could direct contact with this chicken carcass.
http://www.jatim.go....

Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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by: mojo @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 03:49:50 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

No, I've changed to where I'm only checking Jawa Pos in the evening

so that is probably new.

OK, I'll take Berita Kota Makassar and Jatim off of my list.

Thanks for letting me know, Mojo. 

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 15:58:36 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Mojo, I don't know whether you

saw my message to you at bgw in MT @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 18:14:16 PM MDT. The site I mention there is not the same as the Jatim site I mention above. If you want either or both, let me know so I can drop them from my list.

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 03:35:40 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

These are the ones I have then

http://www.jatim.go....
http://www.boyolali....
http://www.beritajak...
http://www.medanbisn...
http://www.beritakot...
and I will also take
http://www.mojokerto...

Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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by: mojo @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 03:54:26 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

PS

I couldn't resist the mojokerto site as it had mojo in the name! LOL

Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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by: mojo @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 03:59:24 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

bgw

I did see it and had added it to my list. Thanks!

Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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by: mojo @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 04:02:34 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

bgw in MT & Mojo

Mojo, I've added the sites to your list, for a total of 6,
bgw, I've removed http://www.jatim.go.... from your list.

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:19:17 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Kelly, I worry about that Tribun Batam site you took. It may not

be productive enough to warrant fooling with it. I don't want to just waste your time. I've never found a search or an index on it and I just got through looking at it again. Since you took all those extra sites, too, you probably would be glad to just drop it.

At the time I told you about it, I thought you were only going to do at most 3 sites. It was getting a few "chicken stories" and that kind of thing but had never turned up anything important. It's up to you.

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 00:41:31 AM UTC

Toggletext went down halfway thru my translation. I'll translate it when it comes back.

Ask for the Budget Kunker was shifted on Sunday, on April 22 2007
Anna Luthfie protested against the working visit plan (kunker) the members DPRD East Java to several countries.
The chairman's protest of the Young Board Of Directors of the Line's Territory the Upholder of the National Message (DPW BM the PAN) East Java this was sent to Governor Imam Utomo as the decisive APBD side, where APBD also arranged the cost kunker the council.
Luthfie urged the cancellation kunker to several countries.
One of his reasons, because kunker ate the big budget, namely Rp 2.5 billion.
Necessarily, the budget was shifted for the interests of the people.
"Misal him, to encourage and encourage the development of the productive economic activity, in the middle of the increase in the unemployment figure and poverty in Jatim," he stressed to the Sun in Surabaya, on Saturday (21/4).
He added, this protest has been sent by him officially through the letter that was signed by him with the Secretary DPW BM the PAN East Java Zainul Lutfi.
The copy of the letter was aimed at the chairman and three vice-chairmans DPRD East Java, as well as the chairman FPAN DPRD East Java

Luthfie menambahkan, hasil evaluasi atas  kunker DPRD ke berbagai daerah --di dalam negeri maupun luar negeri-- selama ini ternyata tidak memiliki makna signifikan bagi proses pembobotan dan pemaknaan agenda perubahan di masyarakat.
"Kunker juga tak bermakna konstruktif dan produktif, baik yang dituangkan dalam peraturan daerah maupun bentuk peraturan lain," kritiknya.

Menurut Luthfie, penghamburan anggaran untuk kunker dapat melukai dan menyakiti hati masyarakat Jatim. Apalagi, akhir-akhir ini masyarakat Jatim menghadapi persoalan sosial rumit, mulai dari persoalan mahalnya harga beras, harga BBM, mewabahnya flu burung, longsor, banjir, sampai luapan lumpur Lapindo Brantas.
"DPRD Jatim harus lebih berkonsentrasi dalam rangka mencarikan solusi problematika masyarakat Jatim, sebagai cermin prinsip keterwakilan," katanya mengingatkan.
http://www.surya.co....

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 10:03:40 AM UTC

here's the rest...

Luthfie added, results of the upper evaluation kunker DPRD to various areas -- in the country and foreign -- uptil now evidently did not have the significant meaning for the process pembobotan and elucidation of the change agenda in the community.
"Kunker also was not significant constructive and productive, both that was presented in the regional regulation and the form" of the "other regulation," his criticism.
According to Luthfie, the dispersal of the budget to kunker could injure and hurt the feelings of the East Java community.
Moreover, lately the East Java community faced the social problem complicated, starting from when the problem of the high price of the rice, the price of FUEL OIL, became an epidemic him bird flu, the landslide, the flood, to the overflowing of Lapindo Brantas mud.
"DPRD East Java must be more concentrating on the occasion of look for the solution problematika the East Java community, as the principle mirror" of the "representativeness," he said warned.

{I normally would not have posted this article.  We have to read articles and determine if they are relevant for posting or not.}

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 11:18:38 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

New Case: SM (14)

http://kompas.com/ve...

Comment: This case was sent to me by Commonground. I hadn't checked Kompas since yesterday morning and evidently this article was entered after that. She is two hours ahead of me in time zone and that lady gets up EARLY. I get up LATE. LOL To me this is the chief benefit of being retired.

It seems they think this patient may have a dual infection, but for some reason won't reveal what the other virus is...Strange!

HOSPITAL AND ADMISSION:brought SM to the closest Community Health Centre (17/4),...after carried to the policeman's Hospital Indramayu then reconciled to RSHS Sadikin (21/4)

REGENCY:Indramayu

RESIDENCE: Sukra the Subdistrict Sukra the Indramayu Regency

NEW CASE
April 22, 2007 - The resident Indramayu was expected by Bird Flu The report on the Reporter Kompas Mohammad Hilmi Faiq

Bandung, Kompas- After could an empty day, Handsome Sadikin Space of the Hospital Poinciana Tree, Bandung, again was filled up by the patient was expected by bird flu. This time was SM (14) villagers Sukra the Subdistrict Sukra the Indramayu Regency.

he entered Poinciana Tree Space since Saturday (21/4) around struck 07.00 WIB in the serious condition. The patient was expected by bird flu to 103 in RSHS this experienced
breathless, the cough, the headache and the temperature bada him achieved 38.1 levels celsius. The team of the control of RSHS Bird Flu afterwards installed the ventilator
to help SM breathing.

Taja (53) the father from SM, told, how his child was sick since last week. On the Tuesday (17/4), Taja brought SM to the closest Community Health
Centre. However, because his condition will never improve, SM was afterwards carried to the policeman's Hospital Indramayu. Saw the SM condition that was worrying, the side RS the policeman afterwards reconciled him to RSHS.

Taja tell about, three days before was sick, SM could be in practice involved in the biological lesson in his school, the Tsanawiyah Religious School (MTs) Al-Wasiah. ³Dia was told to operate on the chicken and entok. After that, the chicken and entok that was brought came home and we ate with-sama,² {together} Taja words in RSHS, on Sunday (22/4).

Nevertheless, continued Taja, the chicken and the other poultry around his house not there are those that died. ³Lima {five} the chicken that I had stayed healthy until sekarang {now},² flat Taja.

Vice Chairman Tim of the Control of RSHS Bird Flu Dr Jatnika Sp. A (K), MCTM said, the SM condition was not yet stable, although tending to improve compared with the first day entered Poinciana Tree Space.
³Selain {in addition to} as suspect bird flu, he was also attacked by the other virus that already confirm,² Jatnika words sembari {while} kept the virus kind that was meant secret. {????}

Jatnika explained, he found the existence pneumoni progressive on the lungs SM. Although the temperature of his body began to descend, but the cough and breathless was still serious. As for to apus the throat and apus the nose has been sent to the Body of Health research and development (Balitbangkes).

³Belum {not yet} will have results of the test, possibly tomorrow (today) ,² was like this Jatnika.
http://kompas.com/ve...

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 16:56:00 PM UTC

Why oh why do I get up at 5?

I would do anything to get up at 7, and be able to stay up till 11.

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 17:03:25 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

I meant THEY won't tell what the other infection is. I left out they

which makes it sound like the patient won't tell, which is not the case.

Commonground, some of us are larks and some of us are owls. I tend more to the owl side. I like the quiet of night.

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 17:57:49 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

It doesn't mention testing any of the other kids in the biology class?

I am a bio teacher. If we do dissections, it generally is in small groups working together as teams on a single specimen. I suppose all the students might have had their own chickens - especially if they are plentiful - but my first thought was about the other kids in the team being exposed. Also, where did they get the chickens they dissected? The article mentions doing an inspection of the chickens around the house of the victim, so does that mean he brought the chicken he dissected from home? If all the students brought their chickens to dissect from home, have they checked the chickens from all of the students' homes? There could be cross contamination, an exchange of chicken parts during the dissection or other possibilities that don't seem to be explored here,.

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 18:35:49 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

It sounds like he brought it from home.

"The chicken and entok that was brought came home and we ate with-sama,² {together}". Then they ate it after he took it home. I couldn't find a translation for entok. My Babylon trial expired today and won't work anymore. I tried to buy it yesterday four different times but couldn't make the payment process go through (and believe me there's nothing wrong with my credit cards).

The Babylon company has rather agressive marketing techniques.  If you are interested in this software, do not expect text translation. It does that in some of the other languages (including Arabic and Farsi), but for Indonesian you have to download separate dictionaries and it only translates one word at a time.

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by: bgw in MT @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 18:58:12 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

to me that sounds like he brought it home afterwards.

Where did he get it to begin with?

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 19:53:45 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

yes, where did he get the chicken and who else was exposed?

A dissection is done on a fresh or preserved specimen. In this case obviously fresh, as he took the remains home later and ate them (which is probably what entok means...carcass or something.) The point is, when you do a dissection you are cutting into the animal, pulling out and examining all the various organs. There is plenty of blood, plenty of chance for infection. Very often a dissection in a school lab - especially if there is not alot of money - does not include the use of sterile gloves, masks or eye wear. So if this chicken is the source of the child's infection, what about the exposure of his school mates? And where did the chicken come from in the first place? Are we sure it was his chicken that was the source, or could he have gone over during the lab and helped dissect one of his class mate's chickens? All sorts of possibilities for exposure in this classroom activity, and I am asking if any of the other kids and/or their home poultry has been checked for H5N1.

Always have a plan B.

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by: maryinhawaii @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 01:28:59 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

bgw, I could not find

a translation for "entok" either. each time I encountered the word, it was used in association with poultry, i.e., "duck tails and entok".  Sorry I couldn't help.

United we stand: Divided we fall
www.flunewsnetwork.com

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by: cottontop @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 22:55:54 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Entok is a type of bird/duck

It is otherwise known as Manila Duck and I remember we had a photo of one once - ugly crest on the top of its head!

I tried to google but I just keep getting Flu Wiki and Flu Trackers .... ;-)

Eat pudding first - who know's what might happen next! - Anon

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by: AnnieB @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 03:34:45 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

NEW CASE - Andika (5) Jember, East Java

AnnieB, Carol or Michelle, should I list Andika (5) in the new case diary?  I don't have much info to put down.....

NEW CASE: I do not have Andika (5) listed.

The resident Situbondo was expected by Suspect AI
on Monday, 23/04/2007
Jember (SINDO) - A resident Kab Situbondo was again reconciled to RSUD Dr Subandi Jember.
He was Maksum, 54, the resident of the Wiraksana Village, the Arjasa Village, of Kec Arjasa.
He was reconciled because of being suspected of being affected suspect the plague of bird flu.
-snip-

The reason for the condition for the body increasingly worsened, let alone being accompanied the stone and breathless, Maksum was carried to the Arjasa Community Health Centre.
Afterwards, was based on the doctor's request the Community Health Centre, the man bermata the search for the farm labourer, was asked to refer to RSUD Situbondo.
Was based on results of the beginning diagnosis, when Maksum was reconciled, showed the temperature of the body around 38-40 the Celsius level.
Moreover, his blood pressure was it was known low, that is 100/70 millimetre-hidrogram.
The patient who was expected suspect bird flu and was reconciled to RSUD Dr Subandi was yesterday recorded by four people.
They were Andika, 5; Maftuhatul Khoiriyah, 7; Uyunil Kamalia, 5; as well as Maksum.
All the patients were the reconciliation patient from the resident Kab Situbondo.
The co-ordinator the Team of the Control of Bird Flu Dr Edi Nurcahyo said, his side justified the existence of the patient from Situbondo that was reconciled to RSUD space of the bird flu isolation Dr Subandi Jember.
"Sampel blood and the photograph test of the lungs have been sent to the Laboratory of the East Java Province of the Health Service.
To know affected suspect bird flu or not, we were still being waiting for results of Surabaya,"kata Edi.
His side eventually also would merapatkan whether Maskum was categorised suspect, probable, or case investigation of bird flu.
(p juliatmoko)
http://www.seputar-i...

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 20:30:21 PM UTC

Hi Commonground.

I think it would be good to add Andika to the new case diary.  I never used it much before because I was so familiar with the news, but that diary has been fantastic to use in catching back up with the reports.

I hope to be able to post a summary later tonight.

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by: Michelle in OK @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 22:32:50 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

You might want to wait for awhile and see if anymore info is posted tonight or in the morning before you post it.

(Or you could just add to the information later.) Usually we see more info pop up. This is just a suggestion as you know way more about this than I do!

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 00:17:30 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Commonground: I use the new case diary a lot to double check my info and to collect data I have missed in an article. Thanks.

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 00:19:57 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Health Stats

This snip gives you an idea of all the diseases they are dealing with there.

SOREANG (SINDO) - the Section Head the Health of Kab Bandung Sukmahadi Thawaf said, this year his side intent to more increased again the health service towards the poor family (gakin).
So Dinkes compiled the plan including publishing the card of the poor community of the net of the health service (JKMM) during 2007 totalling 397 thousand cards.
"Dinkes also allocated help gakin that was treated in the hospital of Rp10,9 miliar," revealed Sukmahadi to SINDO, yesterday.
-snip-

From the Dinkes data, during 2006, was gotten 2.747 cases of the TB, 22 cases of the measles, 19 cases of the leprosy illness, 336 cases of dengue fever dengue fever, and 12 cases of bird flu.
More than that, during 2006, Kab Bandung experienced seven extraordinary incident times (KLB) the diarrhoea illness.
In Kab Bandung, several of the customer's illnesses like dengue fever dengue fever (DBD), until the polio illness then still was lurking.
Sukmahadi admitted the immunisation target of polio in each subdistrict that was done did not yet cover all the pre-school children in the corner of the village.
Nevertheless, argued the Soul, not all the health figures of Kab Bandung experienced the decline.
He also revealed the increase like the life expectancy figure (AHH) Kab Bandung in 2006 that reached 66.98 years, meaning that increasing from AHH 2005 that of 63.23 years.
Likewise in the realisation of the infant mortality rate (AKB), was recorded by 40.18 souls per 1.000 live births.
This meant to experience the decline compared with 2005 that of 43.50.
"Ada him the AKB decline showed in the period 2005-2006 was gotten by the increase in the health service, especially in reducing the death rate bayi," firm Sukamahadi.
(iwa Ahmad sugriwa)
http://www.seputar-i...

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 20:40:17 PM UTC

I have run into a dilemna in updating the case table.

In backtracking to ensure our positive count is in line with the Indonesia official count, there are several individuals who have been reported "positive" by the media, but who have never been acknowledged as positive by the Indonesian officials or the WHO.

If no one objects, I'm going to add another line to the table with the label "Media reported positive."  I think some possibly relevant information will be lost if these reports are simply moved back to the "Symptoms, tests pending" category.

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by: Michelle in OK @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 23:17:25 PM UTC

sounds like an excellent idea. Info is getting harder to receive. n/t

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 23:24:00 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

That is a great idea Michelle. I agree that important info will be lost if it is not done this way.

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. --Unknown

     

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by: Carol@SC @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 00:54:05 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Michelle in OK, the Case

Information Diary has the numbers of positive cases since WHO stopped reporting and only includes those cases officially announced by the Indonesia Department of Health.

You will note in the Case Information for April that there is a case that was reported positive by the media but was never confirmed by the DoH.  Later, the testing hospital stated that they are still seeking approval from the DoH to have their test results recognised.

So, the numbers that appear there, and in the spreadsheets you would have got from Carol and Floridagirl, are in accordance with the Indonesian officials.

Hope that helps

Eat pudding first - who know's what might happen next! - Anon

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by: AnnieB @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 03:39:47 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Test new table format

Indonesia Summary - Updated as of 04/22/07

		2006		2007
Cases Discussed		June - Dec		Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Total
Died, no test results		24		4	2	4	0	10
Died, tested positive		17		7	1	10	0	18
Other tested positive		5		1	1	0	0	2
Media reported positive		0		9	0	0	1	10
Symptoms, tests pending		146		109	97	38	45	289
Tested negative		99		93	15	23	19	150
Totals		291		223	116	75	65	479

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by: Michelle in OK @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 23:45:53 PM UTC

Here are the positive patients, with the official counts,

according to the news articles you all have posted (as best as I could backtrack.)  I know a lot of work went into identifying these positives.  I've used AnnieB's summary as a reference, in addition to FloridaGirl and Carol's spreadsheets.

Summary of H5N1 Positive Tests Counted by Indonesia & WHO  

• Kalideres, Jakarta West 12/31 s * RN Ramli/Randy  + 75 WHO 1 58 died
  
• Serpong, West Java 1/1 s * Riyah + 76 WHO 1,2 59 died
  
• Tangerang, Banten 1/3 s * AA/Ani Afriani/Aprianti + 77 WHO 3 60 died
  
• Serpong, West Java 1/10 s * Wise/A Muhamad Arief  + 78 WHO 3 
  
• Kebayoran Baru, South Jakarta 1/11 h * Z/Zulfa/Zuraini + 79 WHO 3 61 died
  
• Garut, W. Java 1/11 s * T (30)/Tin (19)  + 80 WHO 4 62 died
  
• Magelang, Central Java 1/11 h * Q/Qumi Laila (6)) + 81 WHO 5 63 died

Summary of H5N1 Positive Tests Counted by Indonesia (but not confirmed by WHO)  

• Central Jakarta 1/31 s  I / 15 yo girl; upscale neighborhood  + 82 
  
• Bandung, W. Java 1/31 h  DS (30) + 83 
  
• Coral Subd; Garut; West Java 2/9 h * ED / Elis Dahlia E. (20) + 84  64 died
  
• Mojokerto Reg; E. Java 3/8 h * Siti Nur Aini / Sn (21 or 22) + 85  65 died
  
• Jakarta East 3/7 s * BAJ (32) + 86  65 died
  
• Mojokerto Reg; E. Java 3/19 s * Wotono Hadi Wetono (39/40) + 87  68 died
  
• Palembang; South Sumatra 3/23 h  Marwiyah (22 or 23) + 88  67 died
  
• Indramayu, W. Java 3/20 s * Didi Slamet Riyadi(16)  + 89  69 died
  
• South Coastal Reg; W. Sumatra 3/24 d * Dermanto (40) + 90  70 died
  
• Central Jakarta  3/21 s  Yulianingsih / Yul ( 28) + 91  71 died
  
• Central Jakarta  3/28 s  Sukaesih (23)  + 92  72 died
  
• Solo; Central Jakarta 3/28 s * R  /Rizky Yulianti  (15)  + 93  73 died
  
• Sukoharjo Reg; Central Java 3/27 s * Suranto (29) + 94  74 died

Summary of H5N1 Positive Tests Reported by Media (but not confirmed by Indonesia or WHO)  

• Semarang, Central Java 1/13 h * Sumiah/S 46 (died w/i 6 hrs of admit)   
  
• 7 others in Central Java positive in January (from Solo, Semarang, and Sragen)  Feb 7 News Report  
  
• Central Jakarta 4/4 h * T / SH (30 )  Doctor states +  ?  

If I've mistunderstood any of the cases or need to make corrections, please let me know.

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by: Michelle in OK @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 00:30:41 AM UTC

Excellent

Dem?  I'm sure you'll want to see this.  Maybe even copy it out. 
Thanks Michelle in OK..  A lot of work went into this.

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 09:22:19 AM UTC

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March 30th article stating D (14) Positive with Dept. of Health

30 March 2007 09:30
http://www.bipnewsro...

Casualties BIRD FLU improved AGAIN two ORANG

Jakarta, 30/3/2007 (Kominfo Newsroom) - case casualties Avian influenza (Burung= FB Flu) in Indonesia improved again two people after Y (P, 28 years) from the Serdang District, Jakarta the Centre and D (L, 14 years) from the Banyan Tree Cape, West Sumatra, died although both of them could be treated in the hospital.
Kapus Communication of the Health of the Department's Public Dr. Lily.
S. Sulistyowati, MM, that was met in his office, on Friday (30/3), said with the death of the two people then till March 29 2007, the positive FB case in Indonesia became 91 cases, 71 among them died.
"Angka the Death or Case Fatality Rate (CFR)  reached 78.02 persen," said Dr. Lily.
He also said that Y and D were stated positive terjangkit the virus H5N1 through the inspection PCR the Body of Health Research And Development (Litbangkes) the Department of Health on March 28 2007 and the Laboratory of Eijkman Jakarta on March 29 2007.

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 11:11:57 AM UTC

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Thanks for checking, Commonground,

I'll have to look into D (14) later today.  I may have thought this D was Didi who was declared positive a few days earlier.

I don't want any reported positives to go untracked, so I'll do some more researching.

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by: Michelle in OK @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:11:28 PM UTC

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AnnieB's got D recorded in the Indo Case Information Diary. n/t

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:17:42 PM UTC

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actually, I wasn't checking. I saw an older article....

and thought it might give us some information on this "level 5".....and I saw the information on "D"....

at least I'm honest  :-)

I am not like other birds of prey....

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by: Commonground @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:18:48 PM UTC

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I researched and now remember

why I didn't show D (14) as a separate person.  I re-read AnnieB's research and comments solicited by FloridaGirl and feel that D(14) is likely the same as Dermanto.  There was lots of discussion on whether Dermanto's age was 40 or 14 and if Desmanto was another name used.

Since the count was consecutive with Y's count, I think this is the right answer (based on the limited information we have).

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by: Michelle in OK @ Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 20:56:19 PM UTC

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