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GetPandemicReady.org

by: Average Concerned Mom

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 20:03:39 PM EST


(GetPandemicReady.org is hosted as a public service by Nez Perce County, Idaho as part of its disaster preparedness community outreach program.

- promoted by Bronco Bill
)

Over the past seven months, there has been a labor of love happening 'behind the scenes' of the flu forum community. A group of fellow flubies (many of whom were already active in publicly promoting pandemic awareness) have been working on a website to promote Home Preparation for Pandemic Flu. Our goal was to take what the CDC suggests individuals and families do, for PanFlu preparation, to the next step and clearly explain how to put those suggestions into place.

Organized under a loosely gathered group named "National Citizens' Pandemic Alliance', multiple talents and knowledge were brought together and the result is an unprecedented preparation website called 'Get Pandemic Ready'.

http://www.GetPandemicReady.org

We plan to do a formal media launch in the near future. Please check it out, give us feedback, and share freely!

Average Concerned Mom :: GetPandemicReady.org
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whooo-hoo! It's up!!


finally!
I was starting to think this "baby" was going to take 9 months!  (-;

I hope people like it, and find it useful.

Please check out the downloads section.  There are two food plans there by, ahem, your truly -- and lugon, number 6 has  PICTURES!!!  


GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


[ Parent ]
pictures, hmm, well ...
... the next question is Are they touchable pictures?  I guess people have to actually go shopping if they want to have that feeling. ;-)

Yes, I'm starting to see a youtube add based on "commercials that work" (tm), making people wish they had their preps already!

It's soooooo cool to be a prepper!  You know, only the first 10 million will be part of the first 10 million!

Only one thing beats being a Prepper: being a Prepping Ignitor!  (Yeah, you have to be a Prepper first.)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
Preparedness essentials, plainly laid out
It's a relief and a joy to see this resource, and I'm eager to share it with others.  The essential thing is that it telescopes the arduous process of learning how to prepare for a pandemic into a much shorter time frame: what took me many months to learn as a "newbie" is instantly accessible.  People will be able to target their needs more effectively, spring into action more quickly, and manage their prep dollars more efficiently because of the materials presented here.  

site is great!
I love this site-complete to a 'T'. I've asked my township to put a link to it from their home page.

It is better to look ahead and prepare than to look back and regret.

[ Parent ]
:-)
This is a very proud day for the Flubie community!  

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

Fan-flippin'-tastic!!
Great site! Great job!  :-D

Favorite Line So Far (LQTM)
You don't have to try to be the "Martha Stewart" of Sheltering-In- Place.

From the 27 page gem entitled:

Small Spaces,
Small Budgets

http://www.getpandemicready.org/

Having people who care enough and know enough to be able to put this kind of website together.  Priceless.


ITW(Joel J)
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear.
- Mark Twain
 


Or,
"My name's not Martha, but I can still SIP." (There's a decorating book entitled: "My name's not Martha, but I can still decorate."

[ Parent ]
That is so EXCELLENT, ACM & lugon & others!!!
I can't believe how easy, specific, & direct it is. So great.
Thank you very much.  

and Dem & Fla_Medic...truly, thanks. n/t


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bird-dog, thanks but don't include me as an author of this thing
i only made some very minor comments to a preview, but i know this is work done by others

kudos and recognition to them

really, i'm looking at the site to see how i can use it, how to contribute further - those are my next questions, just 'cos this site is really great!

but first a big round of applause

GREAT JOB, ACM et al!


You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
this is just great stuff, thank you!
I love how the information is so easy to find and understand.  This is a resource that everyone needs.  Yes, we have a lot of great material on FW but for a long time the greatest need was to gather together and simplify the most important pieces of information, cover the gaps, and lay it out so that anyone of average reading skills can understand and become interested and motivated to take action.

This is simply superb!  I can imagine how much work it's been, so a big thank you is in order.





All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


Minor Quibble
If I open the Small Spaces Small Budget doc and then try to download, it comes up as a Webarchive.

If instead I go to that title on the list of downloads, select with right click and select 'Save Target As' it saves in the Acrobat form I was expecting.  

You might want to add a very brief line of instructions on how to download from that list.

ITW(Joel J)
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear.
- Mark Twain
 


ip numbers and downloads
a number of links show the ip number of the host machine

it would be great to be able to download the whole thing as one big file, maybe - still looking at the site, still amazed (and i had seen a preview!)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
do you mean this?
When I've sent to friends, for instance, 'Why 3 Months', the address/title/subject is the nezperce address instead of 'Get Pandemic Ready' on the email.

It would/could increase awareness of the site if it was changed? Maybe not possible...

And anyway, lugon, then 'thanks', for all the 'other' stuff that you do here!!! b-d  


[ Parent ]
Your Welcome! ;-)


www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

Thanks so much
This is amazing...great work!!!

everyone should look and inspect...
look for errors, typos and facts that are wrong or shaky.

i suggest we not all start at the beginning,
but rather at favorite section, or random section (look into your watch and if it's three quarters of an hour then start at three quarters of all sections, if you know what i mean)

sprayed ants to get the whole work done

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
oh, and can we say things we specifically like? pleeease! ;-)


You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
"npi can still help"
Community_Based_protection.html "They are called Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPIs) because they do not use pharmaceuticals (drugs or vaccines) as the primary protection measure, but can still help against the spread of illness."

The can still help?  Some can help more!  (Ok, maybe I've over-reacted here.  Excuse me, I'll go on reading.)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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lugon, I have the same reaction ;-)
I would suggest it is more accurate to describe NPI as the most important primary protective mechanism for everyone in the community.  If you look at the numbers, nothing else comes even CLOSE.

1918 data from the US, 43 cities - 50% reduction in mortality at peak week, and 30-50% reduction in the whole pandemic.  

Modeling - 50% reduction in overall mortality with compliance of 30%, up to 70% reduction if antivirals are used at the same time.

Sydney 1919 http://www.newfluwiki2.com/sho... 22% of the population were protected from infection (ie they would otherwise have been infected) from voluntary social distancing introduced haphazardly and not sustained throughout the wave.



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


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also this
In plain language, what does this mean?  The CDC is recommending using community protective measures when we have the first confirmed cases of human-to-human pandemic flu in the US.

Actually, the recommendation is for "first confirmed cases of human-to-human pandemic flu in your State or neighboring state."



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


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putting this in the same place
just so before I forget.

Children dependent on free school meals - the USDA (which runs the Food and Nutrition Service) has already announced their plans on how to deal with this:

http://www.fns.usda.gov/disast...

FNS has authority to operate school and childcare meals programs only when children are in attendance so providing food to vulnerable children that receive free and reduced price meals requires alternative strategies. A human pandemic is likely to receive a Presidential disaster declaration, which provides FNS with the authority needed to approve State requests for a Disaster Food Stamp Program (DSFP). This will be FNS' primary nutrition assistance response to a human pandemic





All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
thanks! Keep 'em coming!
We're gathering comments and will look them all over next week to see if any changes need to be made.

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.

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the power of hive mind, you know ;-) n/t




All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
it's always a pleasure to nitpick after others have done such huge job! ;-)


You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
yeah, yeah, I agree. LOL n/t




All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


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Yes, a second to Dem's request.
There will be a 'formal NATIONAL' launch of the site very very soon! (Ie NATIONAL medial we've all come to 'know and love'). Tweaking is necessary, before the launch.  

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

Many thanks to all involved.
The site is fantastic and very well organized.

I think you just provided an activity for me and the kids during the holiday on Monday.  They'd love to make solar cookers from cardboard boxes.  I guess I'm off to Wal-Mart to get some turkey roasting bags.  Everything else we already have.  I'm not sure they'll work well in the middle of this cold spell, but the scientific experiments begin!

Thanks again.  That is a great accumulation of information.  


experiment: get yourselves a stove thermometer
those that measure air temperature, not the ones you stick into (dead) turkeys

measure air (inside and outside the solar oven) at several times (or even compare with use of gas or electricity, and turn it into money - let the kids do the thinking) and turn it into a science project

who said prepping couldn't be fun?

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
New stuff
Just when I thought I had collected all the info I need .. I found several items in here to add to my emergency planning folder. Most helpful will be ACMs Bare Basics Cook Plan  and the directions for a DYI water filter w/ Black Berkey filters. Husband will really like that one. This will be a good resource to 'hand out' to anyone who wants to get started. It makes prepping less scary- much more do-able for the people who think- I can't do that.

Thanks to all of you for putting this together, with this I might be able to 'recruit' more friends and family!


Yes!
by: cinda @ Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 11:19:06 AM EST....
It makes prepping less scary- much more do-able for the people who think- I can't do that. Thanks to all of you for putting this together, with this I might be able to 'recruit' more friends and family!
THAT was the goal! Yes! Seems it was achieved. Thank you for the feed back! It makes all the hours spent on this project worth the effort. Thank you. -k
 

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

Tone
That response suggests that the tone of the content is right :-).

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right for pandemic preppers anyhow (-;
What I want to know if, what do cinda's friends and family think about the tone of the content?

I.E. we've all been following this thing for a while, thinking about prepping long-term etc., so the site might look do-able.

But what about people who don't spend a lot of time thinking about pandemics?

If anyone does share this site with friends and family, I'd be really interested in feedback on whether THOSE PEOPLE find the site and content useful!

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


[ Parent ]
' I can't do that"
If it's just general reluctance to accept the possibility of pandemic-(it won't happen so preparing is moot) I don't think this will do it. A person would have to want to figure out what to do. If/when they do, then this becomes a fantastic tool.

The issue I deal with the most, once people accept that there will be a pandemic (or other emergency) is getting by the WHY of the "I can't do that". I know quite a few people who blandly accept that it will happen, probably in their lifetime, but don't do anything about it. (drives me crazy) I ask, Why?
So.........
If the WHY is, it's mind bogeling to think about, this shows how and where to start, and how to proceed to the next step.

If it's $$, this shows that it's not all expensive freeze dried prepacked foods- it's every day things you can find anywhere-

If that comes to " I wouldn't know what to do with that stuff" it even shows how to cook those simple things that no one knows how to cook these days.

To a modern mom on the go w/ a FT job and a house to run, the thought of turning dried beans (as an example because that is what seems to come to most people minds) into something edible (and hopefully tasty) is pretty scary. "You have to soak them, then boil them, and then..... Well, I just can't think about it" and off they go, back into denial land. I know plenty of people who wouldn't tackle it even with time. So - this takes the fear out of cooking "those things" (even out of bread- and I personally need that!! I make terrible bread)

I plan to run it by my cousin and a friend who started to prep when the news first hit MSM, but have slacked off. They are both overwhelmed by my "collection" so thats not a good tool. Most people don't think like me, so my rational, and experience won't work. I think it was easy to put our preps together. I think it's fun. I get a kick out of how much $ I save, and that makes it easy for me.(plus I love to grocery shop- I love grocery stores in general, I'm a foode) They just look at it and shake their heads and say- I'll never be able to do THAT- so why bother. They don't really realize I've been at this for years. They just see the current result.

They do see that this has become a life style for us, but I'm not sure it looks like an inviting one. My cousin remarked that the family thinks I'm too focused on negative issues. That I spend too much time thinking about it. They don't understand that prepping is what makes me not worry, and not think about it as much. It's just become the way we do things. There's a plan, I know the plan, now it's on the back burner on low and regular life goes on over it. It doesn't stop us from doing anything- it actually frees us to do more- cause we already have the plan. There's no uncertainty about it. It's down to, If this-then that, got that? Ok move on.

So no more tours through my prep museum. No more printed flu prep 'manuals' and countless recipes for dried, powdered, non refrgerated, canned everything. This site is much easier to digest.


[ Parent ]
The tone is very nice
CDC needs to really take a look at this and learn that they can inform, while not causing that "panic" that they're always so worried about.  Education does not usually lead to "panic."  This site is an excellent example and gives a superb rationale as to why this is the case.  Give people information, and tools, and they will be able to craft their own response. I doubt that that response will be "panic."  

Frankly, CDC should just steal the new site in its entirety from you all.  And that sort of theft would be the highest form of flattery. ;-)

Why should CDC reinvent the wheel?  You've done an excellent job. Very thorough, very well done indeed.  


[ Parent ]
there's a FAQ section waiting to happen (and other ideas)
1) Is there a place to input questions? No identification, no fuss, no anything - just their questions.

Ok, maybe some very minor hassle: maybe ask people to type a 2 figure number ("type 53: __").  They are already coping with several adjustment reactions at once: "I've just read about this, I'm thinking what I should do, I'm typing a question".  So no hassle, and we can deal with whatever spam is left by hand (maybe with some automagic cleaning of the resulting text-file).

2) Also, we need a place for success stories (both as "preppers" and as "prepping ignitors"), as soon as they start coming along.

3) And a place for us to ask questions to them: What motivated you to come here? How did you find us? What could be improved? Etc.

4) All of this would result in invaluable research, so the resulting plain-text files (full of anonymous comments, at most requesting gender or age but trusting none of that) might be given to some students who'd do the categorisation, etc.  I know there are ways to process text to mine for certain words and do qualitative research.  So what would researchers want to know, that's simple to acquire?  And keep in mind we're all "researchers" into this thing, as we all want to know how to push this further and further, no?

Comments here or through email. :-)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


youtube video addded
to diary.

Answer to Lugon-
1) Is there a place to input questions? No identification, no fuss, no anything - just their questions.

Yes - just go to 'contact us' on the left side, under 'Support'.

The rest of your ideas we'll take into consideration.



www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -


"contact us" means writing an email
and I was thinking of something simpler for the user, in order to get comments from the not-very-motivated etc.  But email is fine for many, and you'll get valuable input that way!

Please, take any and all of my comments as a "I don't want to forget this idea" items, as I know all of them take work and it's not my work!

It's just that I can't help but guess you might eventually get some help along the way:

- a student with a grant who wants to study this stuff, and the grant pays for coder time or whatever.
- a computer expert who is passionate enough and trustable enough comes by to help.
- fairies exist.

In short: ideas are free, work isn't!

---

Also, I don't know if I had given this piece of feedback, but many links go to an IP number (66.236.etc, etc), not to the site's name.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
In short: ideas are free, work isn't!
Lugon - in this case, a lot of work was done for free.

Tell the truth

[ Parent ]
Goju, what i meant was
that it doesn't cost me any effort to suggest things or dream them up.

Getting them done does have a cost (in time, money or whatever).

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
understood...
I think that if we all here tallied our time and effort spent in learning and prepping and coaxing others to prep, we'd likely be able to fund a small country.

Tell the truth

[ Parent ]
;-) n/t




All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
or maybe that's exactly what we're doing :-? LOL


You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
Frames
The site appears to be coded using frames, and the source code says to get frame content from the IP address.  That's why the IP address shows up rather than the path a particular page. I've never worked with sites coded in frames, but only in html and css, so I don't know about fixes (There are reasons to avoid frames.)  

[ Parent ]
Just noticed a faulty link
In the Bare Basics Cook Plan .pdf, the link to www.texascooking.com for making corn tortillas wraps to the next line at "98corntortillas.htm", breaking the link.
It's easy enough to just type the second line into the browser address bar, but thought you might like to know...

Suggestion: Unbold the text and make the font a bit smaller. Or, if using a newer version of Acrobat Writer, hyperlink both lines to the same full address...

Also, towards the bottom of page 7, it appears that "The Tightwad Gazette III" should be a link, but doesn't go anywhere.


The corn tortillas link does work...
...on the "Small Spaces, Small Budget" page though...

[ Parent ]
flu wiki link is faulty as well
on the links page, and is in the queue to repair...

[ Parent ]
Ah...it's easy to forget
the "e"

[ Parent ]
Thanks Bill-
I just checked and you're right. These need to be fixed. -k

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

Suggestion under Food Storage
OK I went though the site over the last 2 days and I'm very happy with what I saw.  We have been suggesting and complaining about needing a site that the beginner can go to; start once they are convinced to start preparing.

Remember what it was like in 2004/05!!!!!

Now we need a simple "very simple" inventory list of the 5 levels of items to have on hand.

We need water, food, shelter, medical and forms of communicating at a minimum, Need to ab;e to maintain, repair and replace items at your shelter.

It should be set up for 14, 30, 90, 180, and 365 days

Possible breakdown of items needed:

a) Cannot live without -  need each and every day
unless you live as a caveman!!!

b) Needed beyond 14 days    - Think of life in the 1870's.

c) Needed beyond 30 days    - Think of life in the 1900's.

d) Needed beyond 90 days    - Think of life in the 1930's.

e) Needed beyond 180 days   - Think of life in the 1950's

f) Unlimited time/money        - Think of life after winning 100 million at the local lottery win!

OK - forget (f) you would be tied up in court with all the law suits against you to do anything else!!!!

Ideas for thought  

Rich-Fl      

  No warning - no way to fight - no way to win!  
We need help in our local communities to survive. Remember that quote:    "...No man is an island..."


Interesting concept, Richard!
The longer you prepare for, the easier your life will be.

  b) Needed beyond 14 days    - Think of life in the 1870's.

  c) Needed beyond 30 days    - Think of life in the 1900's.

  d) Needed beyond 90 days    - Think of life in the 1930's.

  e) Needed beyond 180 days   - Think of life in the 1950's

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OR, the longer you should have prepared for, the harder life will be.

b) Needed beyond 14 days    - Think of life in the 1950's

c) Needed beyond 30 days    - Think of life in the 1930's.

d) Needed beyond 90 days    -Think of life in the 1900's.

e) Needed beyond 180 days   -Think of life in the 1870's.
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I'm too sleepy to figure it out now, but it might be useful in talking to people who haven't started prepping.  "What era would you like to live in?"

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor


[ Parent ]
more gap analysis
This comment is NOT directed to the getpandemicready.org site!  It's just that when we look at it, we may see things that could be done elsewhere! :-)

One such thing is beautifully covered in the Citizen's Manual: how to organise with others (I don't see it GPR.org, but there's a link to the Citizen's Manual).  But of course organising with others benefits from individual awareness: how can you organise if you can't even talk about it?  So my guess is we'll see communities doing things with others, shortly after individuals start doing their thing.  I still remember Goju's "i'm only as safe as my neighbour" insight; powerful stuff.  So it's all about speeding up other's learning ...

What other gaps (real or not) do we see in or around GPR.org?

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
alos the codeready site from MN
codeready.org has that.

link


[ Parent ]
Home Treatment of Flu
A good link to add to the detailed guidance on home treatment of flu is the FLASH version of the DVD or the script printout of the Lincoln Co WY guide, "Caring for the sick at home when it's the only option"found at

http://www.pandemicpractices.o...

Highly recommended!


Feedback - Cinda's cousin
As promised I sent this site to my cousin and she is looking at it now- her initial comments are:

"I'm reading the website now...
So far, just from looking through it a bit,
I like it.
It's easy to read, the important things "Pop" out at you and it seems really well organized."

I'll post her more in-depth thoughts when she sends them.


I think this might be just what you were aiming for
Cousin says:

" It's practical and straightforward without being scary or preachy. "


[ Parent ]
yay!
Thanks for the feedback, cinda!  That's great to hear.

I really appreciate hearing what other folks have to say (even if it isn't positive) because really our audience was those people who haven't explored the issue that much, yet.

If anyone else has a chance to provide similar feedback, please let us know!


GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


[ Parent ]
Yep ---
It's all good, when you get responses such as these!

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

CIDRAP link!
That's really cool!

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu

Right hand side, under "Promising Practices"

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


YAY!! ;-D n/t




All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
As we native Californians used to say...
AWESOME!!! Congratulations!


[ Parent ]
Dude
As we native Californians used to say...
AWESOME!!! Congratulations!

As in

AWESOME DUDE!!!!
??
 

ITW(Joel J)
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear.
- Mark Twain
 


[ Parent ]
As in...
AWESOME FER SHER, DUDE!!!


[ Parent ]
Expnding community resiliance
  Just another suggestion.

3. Build your personal skill set. As you work towards
increased resilience, you will learn new skills. Ask
neighbors who are knowledgeable in different areas to teach
those to you. Reciprocate with a favor to them, of course.
This helps you help them and builds trust and connections
in your neighborhood.

 To

3. Build your personal skill set and documentaion to include anything that would make your or a neighbors life eaiser during hard times. Those things people always wish they had time for can be yours now. From out door cooking, knot tying, basic first aide, wilderness first aide, camping skills, safety skills, caring for those with diabeties or multiple scorosis(sp?).

 Schools may close so share or find those with some teaching skills.

 Pandemics by nature make people sick. Basic services may falter. Those who prepare suffer less than those who do not.

As you work towards increased resilience, you will learn new skills. Ask neighbors who are knowledgeable in different areas to teach those to you. Reciprocate with a favor to them, of course. This helps you help them and builds trust and connections in your neighborhood.


To Grace RN:
Wonderful! I hope they do. Please post here, if they do. I am also recommending this to my own county.

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

recommended to town
i have done the same

Tell the truth

Should I care?
Everything could possibly happen everywhere. I think once in a lifetime everyone should visit store and get some emergency supplies.
I checked online and there are bunch places where people can find first help and emergency supplies:

http://esurvival.net/
http://www.iprepare.com/
https://www.usaemergencysupply...

The thing is, you can buy even food which will never expire even in 10 years.


Of course you should care!!!
What if, as you say, everything happened everywhere?
What if you visited your store and put up supplies for 6 months to feed you and your family?
What if your neighbors had not put up supplies, because they knew you had plenty for your family?
What if they decided that, instead of starving, they would just come to your home and take what they wanted?
What if they weren't very nice about it?

What if?

Of course you should care!!


[ Parent ]
SUCH GREAT WORK! I have one small comment...
I just sent the address out to several of my friends, as it is so straightforward and professional that it carries a lot of credence.  

One thing did jump out at me though. On the home page there is the text:

"Pandemic flu is a rapidly emerging threat affecting all of us."

I sort of stopped and said "Really?" As one who has been hanging around here for years, I'm not sure I would call it a "rapidly emerging threat." The threat hasn't changed much (knock on wood!)  what is changing is the understanding that there is a threat, and that we need to prepare. And, it is really not affecting very many people at this time. "Pandemic flu" doesn't exist right now. The sentence makes it sound like the pandemic has started, and the tone is a little over the top when compared with the rest of the document.

Such a small thing, maybe its just me. I really even hate to mention it, but the first things you see on the home page are important.  

I dislike rewriting other people's words (who do I think I am, anyhow!) but I also think criticism is half-baked without a suggestion for improvement. So, here goes:

"Bird flu has the potential to develop into a human pandemic that would affect us all."

or

"Pandemic flu is a threat that could affect us all."  
"Pandemic flu could be a significant threat to us all."


Sahara, I like what you suggest - how about this minor change?
"Bird flu has the potential to quickly develop into a human pandemic that would affect us all."

It's good that changes are suggested - and then accepted or discarded.

Being free to make things better is what wikis (and life, if I may say it) are all about.

What do you think?

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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Good suggestion, makes good sense. Thanks! n/t


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"quickly" as in "faster than we can prepare (unless we're prepared before it starts moving quickly)" - if that makes sense
the long way of saying it would be clear in the paragraphs

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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Thank you!
These are the type of comments that we appreciate being brought to our attention so that we can put it on the table and edit or delete! ;)

I'll forward your comment on to the rest of the GPR Team! -k

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1957, not 1959, and ...
1957, not 1959.

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Also, question #2 doesn't make clear that the next pandemic might be caused by a virus not exactly H5N1: maybe a highly mutated one (one mutated enough to become very different in behaviour) or maybe a reassorted/recombined one or maybe a completely different one.  The final pandemic virus, whatever its genetic makeup, will have an ability to infect and kill; how much, we don't know.

I think I would rephrase it thusly (notice small changes in question itself):

2. The last 2 pandemics we had were in 1957 and 1968, and it doesn't seem like they were any big deal.  More people sick than with seasonal flu, maybe, but no one lost their electricity and stores stayed open, anyhow.  Why do you think the coming pandemic may be MORE severe?

"Severe" may mean "more deadly" and/or "more disruptive".

H5N1 has no precedents that we know of: it's a nasty virus able to infect and kill a huge number of poultry and other birds, and also a worrying number of mammals (humans included).  In humans, so far it kills more than 60% of those who fall ill.  It has already diversified genetically, and there are several "flavors" of it in different countries.  It won't be going away anytime soon.

A group of the World Health Organization experts concluded that if the next pandemic virus is a mutation of the current H5N1, we may not see a reduction in its ability to kill.  Secondly, if the next pandemic virus comes to be through genetic mix with another virus, it would probably be less deadly, but how less is not known, and "30 times less deadly" would mean a pandemic like that of 1918.  Thirdly, if the next pandemic virus has another origin (non H5N1 related) then all bets are off.

We also acknowledge another fact: today's world is more connected, interdependent, faster, and with less stocks and (many agree) less general resilience than the world had in 1918.  Plus we have more citizens depending on long-term medication, etc.  So even a "not too deadly" pandemic would be severely disruptive.

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Something that appears in a couple of places is the "insurance" part.  I think with insurance it's "if", but with the next pandemic it's "when" (unless I die beforehand for a different reason).

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#17 has "pre-pare".

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Other than that, I think the page is just great.  Thanks!

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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'Preparing for Pandemic' , Lewistown Times (Idaho)
Preparing for pandemic
http://www.lmtribune.com/story...

Team that includes Lewiston man provides practical tips on readiness for worldwide epidemic they say is coming

By Sandra L. Lee of the Tribune
February 10, 2008

By the time people know an influenza virus is circling the Earth, the time to prepare will be virtually gone.

The intent is to avoid panic, not create it, but survival with any degree of comfort may depend on steps people take now to be ready, according to a nationwide team that includes Nez Perce County Emergency Services Manager Melvin Johnson.

In some ways, society isn't as resilient as it was in the last big pandemic in 1918 and business isn't conducted the same way, says Dr. Greg Dworkin, a pediatric pulmonologist at Danbury, Conn., who has been tracking the spread of influenza in Southeast Asia since 2003.

Johnson and Dworkin are members of an Internet team that founded a new Web site called www.GetPandemicReady.org.

The site has practical, manageable advice for taking a long-term approach to building a stockpile of necessities - food, medicines, water, trash bags, a nonelectrical can opener - and living safely if essential services go down, both men say.

Sections were written by individual team members, such as a paramedic from Florida, two stay-at-home mothers, and school teachers. Their suggestions include more than stashing food and other supplies; they recommend talking to physicians about what to do about medications for chronic illnesses, and preserving the mental and physical health of family members who may have to nurse someone who dies.

Experts agree it's only a matter of time until a virus mutates to spread easily from person to person, Dworkin says. Beyond that, it's speculation, and looking at the confirmed cases documented as of Jan. 21, he says.

Dworkin is a founding editor of www.fluwikie.com, which preceded some of the government Web sites.

Fluwikie reports 351 human cases of bird flu and 219 deaths worldwide for a 69 percent fatality rate as of Jan. 21, when the site was last updated.

Most experts are saying 60 percent of those stricken will die, even if they get professional medical help, Dworkin says.

In comparison, the influenza pandemic of 1918 had a fatality rate of about 2 percent, Johnson says, "so you can see why it's a very worrisome thing."

One-third of the world's population contracted influenza in the two-year pandemic of 1918. At least 50 million died, maybe as many as 100 million, according to the Centers for Disease Control Web site.

Old cemeteries are full of graves from those years.

"It's been a long time since 1918 so we don't have any generational memory of it," Johnson says.
"How do you get motivated as an individual for something you have no generational memory of and it's something happening in Southeast Asia?"

Dworkin says he had a healthy respect for the effect of seasonal flu on children before he started tracking the spread of bird flu through Hong Kong and Southeast Asia in 2003. That type of flu can strike year-round.

Fluwikie was established before the government set up www.pandemic.gov to try to gather information and get it to the public, Dworkin says.

Over the years the material on Fluwikie grew so voluminous it was hard for new people to figure out where to begin.

"Mel and I and a team of us online decided we needed a site with the basics," Dworkin says.

They have never met except in their online community where they came together prompted by similar concerns and beliefs that more needed to be done to help people prepare.

Team members divided up chores and over six months wrote and rewrote sections on preparing for a pandemic or other major disaster. They sent them back and forth for review until they were as complete as seemed practical short of making actual check-off lists.

The site gives hows and whys and ways of doing things on a small budget with little space, Johnson says, not numbers of jars of peanut butter.

Final decisions have to be left up to people who know their own dietary needs, along with likes and dislikes, he says.

For instance, someone with a creek nearby might want to invest in a filtration system for drinking water. Someone who relies on electricity to suck water from a well might need a generator or more above-ground storage, Dworkin says.

The authors place a lot of emphasis on safety, Johnson says, from safe storage of food and staying warm and cooking safely if the electricity goes out, to safe disposal of sewage, and protecting one's own health while taking care of those who are ill.

Nez Perce County is serving as a Web host for the site.

It's a supplement, not a replacement for the official government sites, Dworkin says.

"For example, the www.pandemicflu.gov site suggests everyone should try to stockpile two weeks of food and water should there be a pandemic. The idea is to stay home and take care of someone who is ill without exposing others to infectious disease," he says.

Many sources also are recommending the two-week stockpile be expanded to 12 - a full three months. Explanations are on the Web site, but basically, it might take that long for multiple influenza waves to pass and community recovery to begin.

Unlike 1918 when many people had gardens, preserved food and dug root cellars, people now go to the supermarket every day or two. Drugstores don't stockpile medications, some of which are imported from overseas.

The new Web site has recommendations for getting through the limitations insurance companies place on medications, too, starting with talking with the companies and when possible refilling at three weeks instead of a full months. Over time, the backup supply would grow.

Early communications and planning are the emphasis of the site, Johnson says. People should know what will happen if they discontinue medications, or if doses can be cut in half during shortages, or if there are herbal alternatives to help people get through.

Society depends on centralized utilities for water, heat, light and toilet flushing. Beyond food and water, if there's going to be stress on producers, processors and distribution systems, people need to know what to have at home for all kinds of emergencies, Dworkin says.

They have taken "sort of an all-hazards approach," with emphasis on influenza, he says.

It's not as overwhelming as it first appears, Johnson says, if people take an incremental approach to preparations.

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Lee may be contacted at slee@lmtribune.com or (208) 838-2266.

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