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The ReadyMoms Toolkit: the First Cut

by: SusanC

Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 03:29:45 AM EST


otherwise also known as "The Moms Booth"!


UPDATE Feb 17, 2008.  This toolkit has been submitted for review to Promising Practices: Pandemic Preparedness Tools at CIDRAP.  

The conceptual/intellectual and ethical framework for this model is outlined in this essay 'By Parents, for Families' written for the APHA Convention.  The vision, of where all this needs to go, is explored here ReadyMoms Alliance - After the National Emergency Management Summit.  It is a work in progress.

Click here for previous discussions and events, with better quality photos here. For reporting from the PHPrep Summit in Atlanta go here and scroll down.

DOWNLOADS The ReadyMoms Toolkit can now be downloaded in this separate diary Downloads for ReadyMoms Toolkit  

SusanC :: The ReadyMoms Toolkit: the First Cut
I'm putting together in one place all the components that make up the prototype 'ReadyMoms Toolkit'.  This is what we exhibited at the National Emergency Management Summit and what we will be using in Atlanta this week for the Public Health Preparedness Summit.  I am posting the material here both as a resource and for feedback.  

The purpose of developing this toolkit, is to put together a set of materials that can be used by non-professionals as well as professionals alike, for presentation in promotion of individual and family preparedness in the community.

The primary target audience is the general public.  The assumption is of minimal prior understanding of pandemics and preparedness.  Contents are 'pitched' at about eighth-grade level.   The outcome is to inform them of the risk, point out some critically important issues for their consideration, and give them simple doable and specific steps to take.  

The focus is on overcoming barriers to 'beginner' preparedness.  Information on 'advanced' preparedness is given out as (and form only a small part of) supplementary and not primary information, to avoid overwhelm.  The presentation particularly the brochure and posters are designed as much to educate as to get them to stockpile according to set lists - the outcome lies in preparedness at cognitive and emotional in addition to material levels.

As I said, this is the first cut.  Over time we will be fine-tuning and improving on this, but we believe that when our website is complete and online support is available, then we will have put together as close to a 'whole product' for promotion of individual and family preparedness as you can find anywhere.  Notice that this product serves (or has the potential to serve) 3 different audiences:

  1. the general public,
  2. non-credentialed non-affiliated individuals doing community outreach, and
  3. professional citizens preparedness initiatives.

Finally, this is the result of contributions from many many people, too many to count, a product of the hive mind.  Going forward, it will only be as good as we continue to put our minds to finding solutions.  As David Nabarro said, pandemics are wicked problems with uncomfortable knowledge and clumsy solutions.  All solutions are messy, none are perfect.  That is the challenge.  Please give us your feedback, and much appreciation for your support!

THE TOOLKIT - KEY FEATURES include:

  • easy - ie baby steps that are achievable by most families

  • presentation designed to cover a wide range of preferred learning styles - ie see, hear, feel, touch, move, talk, etc...

  • familiar - ie as similar to their ordinary experiences as possible eg the prep display particularly the food items is designed to mimic family groceries shopping

  • permissive not patronizing or confrontational - ie "feel free to browse"

  • allows audience-to-audience interaction not just presenter-to-audience - to facilitate homologous persuasion

  • targets parents - based on the online experience that most preppers are parents, grandparents, and carers for children.

  • targets women - most household spending decisions are made by moms/women

  • provides practical immediately actionable take-home information (eg prep lists complete with cost and recipes)

  • science and evidence-based - utilizing accepted professional standards and official recommendations, to create as broad-based partnership and consistency with official messages as possible

  • utilizes mnemonics or memory aids eg "are you PANDEMIC READY" and "become PANDEMIC READY", also the '3S (in brochure) - Shortages, Sickness, School Closure'

  • message crafted for momentum - to move person from problem state to outcome/solution state.  (see posters 5 to 7)

  • emphasis on community resilience and community mitigation rather than indiscriminate SIP.  also that preparing for pandemics will also cover other emergencies and disasters.

THE MESSAGE

The Brochure.  Download the latest version here.  this is a screen-shot of the front cover (click to enlarge)

The Posters

THE PREP ITEMS

"Two Weeks of Food for a Family of Four"

The 2 week basic food box for a family of 4 (full list available here)

  • Budget of < $150,
  • Approximate nutrition content of 2,000 calories, 40gm protein, 25gm fiber per person per day (more details here)
  • long shelf-life
  • space saving - fits in 2 boxes as above
  • focuses on sustainable rather than short-term crisis-driven preparedness - will need additional 'ready-to-eat' items
  • companion non-food prep items (see below) and ideas for alternate fuel or cooking methods.
  • addresses the 2 commonest objections - "I can't afford it", and "I've got no room"

Non-Food Prep List

Non-food items are arranged into distinct areas on the table, for display.  The following tabletop signs give the categories and examples of what one might use for the display.  Clicking on the thumbnails will give you a bigger pic full size pdf files which you can save and use as is!

INSTRUCTIONS

To complete that, there are a number of smaller signs explaining the use of the various displayed items, for those who are just browsing.  The signs can be downloaded as a pdf file from here.  This is the list of topics/items for the signs:

  • inverter
  • Buddy burner
  • plunger laundry system
  • land-line telephone
  • hand crank flash-lights
  • potty-in-a-bucket
  • water filter
  • hand mixer/egg beater, manual can opener
  • solar lights
  • walkie talkie, hand-held radios
  • blood pressure cuff, stethoscope
  • snap light sticks

RESOURCES AND SUPPORT

Handouts are either available to take away, or included in a binder to be viewed.  These can also be downloaded or emailed afterwards.  They more or less form 2 groups - topical instructions, and more comprehensive care kits from official sources.

UNDER DEVELOPMENT

Website and discussion forum.

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the 'real thing' ;-)
Can be viewed this week at the Public Health Preparedness Summit 2008.  

We are at Booth #103.

Apologies for the shameless self-promotion but we registered late (cos of funding issues) and got just about the worst possible spot, tucked well away from traffic.  We can do with as much publicity as we can get!

I will be sending this link to many people, both to inform them of what we are doing and to ask for feedback.  Please feel free to do the same with whoever you think might find this useful!  Thanks!



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


Booth 103
Don't let them kid you-they were getting more visitorsthan the other exhibits shortly after the exhibits opened.

DH and I went to the 2 day pre-PHP summit conference from the APC's ie Advance Practice Centers. (We also went on our own dimes)

I got to meet Readymom and see Susan again-that was wonderful. But far surpassing that was their exhibit-words can't describe the simplicity yet comprehensiveness of what they have done. (I think CIDRAP/CDC should hire and/or fund them so they can do this fulltime.)

Other vendors flocked to them-one woman from the CDC just kept saying Yes, yes this is exactly right, this is what needs to be done...
They should be proud of what they have done, and we should be proud of them.

AND-fluwiki got a great nod on CIDRAP!

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidr...

Editors-did you ever, in your wildest dreams.......?


It is better to look ahead and prepare than to look back and regret.


[ Parent ]
just downloaded it all
(including this webpage and the two other diaries referenced from here)

It's a little over 7 megabytes, so it's pendrivable, miniCDable, and ISOable (I'm thinking a CD with all the content, linked to from an initial HTML file; something that could be downloaded directly from ReadyMoms Alliance website and also from allied or free sites, and copied locally).  I'll try and create such an ISO (not complaining if someone does it faster and better!) and send it to some Admin for upload if appropriate.  Of course this would be a 0.1 or 0.9 version, or better still a "20080217 version", and the version number needs to be prominent.

And yes, for this to become a Whole Product there's need for more than a nifty CD that can be copied to a zillion people.  But an easily sharable CD might be part of it, I think.  (Maybe with a customizable spreadsheet for costs etc.)

Oh, yes, and not for now, but I'll try and look at the number of pages and estimate how much work it would be to translate the whole stuff into a number of languages.  As I say, maybe not for now, but I feel we need to see if such translations can be done and how.  "You're only as safe as your neighbour" - Goju.

So, ok, all of this is without looking at the stuff itself.  More comments later!  And thanks!

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


2+ further comments
* the MomsBooth.html file on the CD needs to link to the PDF files that are on the CD
* at some point in time there will be videos etc, I guess.

This is a great start/continuation!

It'll be great to read comments from people actually using this locally, in any of the three roles SusanC suggests (see main diary above).

For "non-credentialed non-affiliated individuals doing community outreach" there's always the meetup + swap places option.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
Great start here...
while i am flattered... correct quote is "You are only as prepared as your neighbor is"

Tell the truth

[ Parent ]
Goju - I, and my mutation, stand corrected! - Thanks!


You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
zipped it's 5 MB - easier than making an ISO and then burn a CD
So all we need is an HTML file linking to all the other files - said HTML file would be the text of the diary, with the links.

Any takers?  I won't be doing it today. ;-)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
we could use archive.org - but some things (simplemasks) do have a copyright :-?
http://www.archive.org/about/f...

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
lugon??
Lugon I don't really understand what you are talking about with the ISO and the CD and stuff.

But if I understand correctly, ReadyMoms Alliance will very soon have a website where this "ToolKit" can be downloaded from -- once it is fine tuned, etc.

So I wouldn't work too hard on putting anything together on a CD right now, unless you just want to do it for yourself.

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


[ Parent ]
ACM, yes
My initial reactive idea was "hey, we could have a CD that could be handed to people, snail-mailed, included in the weekly newspaper, or something".

Not now, but when the "first cut" becomes a "stable version".

So I wanted to try it for myself.

Now, thinking about it a bit more, it looks like all the files,
- compressed into a single file (ReadyMomsToolKit.zip, now happily sitting in my computer),
- takes only 5 MB (more than a floppy, much less than a CD),
- and can be offered as one file from "the website" (wherever that is).

And no, I didn't work too hard at all, thanks!  (It took me a full five-minutes.)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
what ACM said ;-)
lugon, thank you for your eager support, as always.  I'd suggest for your sanity to put that on hold for a little bit, cos as I said this REALLY is the first cut, spelling error and all.  The non-prep items for example, I want to actually put up a suggested list, but again it got so long and it was so late I didn't include it for now.  And today there's a trillion things to do!

It will be on the website, but we can put the list together and put is up here before then.   We already have the list, but as always it needs to be checked before putting out, just as I went through all of the handouts myself before they are put on the list.

btw on the topic of handouts, there are additional handouts that we use including official ones from FEMA etc, here I'm only including a set that is a) most important or most relevant and b) a small selection of the best comprehensive (as opposed to topical) guides.  I didn't want to make the 'official' toolkit list too long and intimidating!



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
ok! so here's
a first cut at what it might look like if the wikipage were to survive - which I see it won't.

Some people make paper planes.  I do wikipages.  Both can be happily discarded!

(This is just to show wikipages are easy!)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
WOW LUGON YOU ARE IMPRESSIVE!
thank you for doing this so quickly!



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
alternate communications - spell check n/t


looks good Susan
The "simple mask" handout seems like too much information, to me, for initial preparedness.  

Seems like more of a concept for health departments to be interested in; but people just starting out would probably be more interested in "What is a respirator" and "How do I use one and buy one" than in reading directions on how to sew their own "masks" -- in my opinion.

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


simple mask
Yes, it may be too much information.

And at the same time the simple mask looks "uncool" enough to convey the message that things might not be "business as usual" in a pandemic.

More generally, it'll be great (essential, I'd say) to get feedback from actual users of all these things.

My own reaction? The simple mask paper is printed, "just in case", but no, I haven't actually tried to make one.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
ACM, see my comment below.
posted in the wrong place, sorry!

Seems like more of a concept for health departments to be interested in

No, this was written for HCW in the Third World where they don't have the resources to buy masks, hence it uses readily available material such as any old cotton T-shirt or similar, and used boiling as a method of disinfection.

No health department in the developed countries would go to such trouble to make them.  It's very much a DIY (do it yourself) project for those with low income.



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
and 3rd world mitigation is good for everyone, methinks!


You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
no but
a health department MIGHT be interested in handing out a "How to make your own reusable mask" flyer especially those who are trying to find solutions for very low income groups of people.

Meanwhile, speaking as a completely unofficial representative of the "Average Stressed Out American Mom" I am just going to say that to me right now, the concept of boiling my own cloth, locating some scissors, cutting a pattern with 8 tie-backs, stuffing it with 8 layers of folded cloth, and I presume sewing the mask together -- well -- you lost me with "boil the cloth" to be honest.

(-;

Still, I see the point.  And a simpler version of the instructions would help.

I am just saying -- it's a LOT easier for people in my personal situation to find $15 to buy a box of N95s than it would be to get them to realize they could make these masks.   Just sharing my personal point of view.

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


[ Parent ]
true
and we need to offer various alternatives to overcome objections or mental barriers to preparedness, whether they are in the form of "I can't afford this" or "I can't possibly make this."

Most of the time, you will find that they CAN afford it, whatever the 'it' is, or that they CAN make it!




All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
also
a health department MIGHT be interested in handing out a "How to make your own reusable mask" flyer especially those who are trying to find solutions for very low income groups of people.

the whole point of this toolkit is for US to put out stuff rather than waiting for health departments to do it!

It will take them many committee meetings and god knows how many months.  Just saying... lol



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
but we need to re-write it first
I only got to this idea like a couple of days ago, really didn't have time to turn it into an eighth grade format.  I wanted to put this out especially to officials/professionals who are skeptical of what we do, since this is coming from a reputable journal, from the CDC no less!

Please if anyone can beat me/us to it, by all means!  We can do with that help..



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
so, to be specific
you'd like to see a "how to make a simple mask" in a clear-for-everyone format?

A printable one.  Not just grabbing pictures from the CDC file, but rebuilding it.

And then, maybe, a video or at least an instructable.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
Yes, do you have it?
you'd like to see a "how to make a simple mask" in a clear-for-everyone format?

Cos I know you worked on this before.  Or can you make it?  A draft, at least.  It will save us time



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
simplemasks: no, i don't have it :-(
this was dealt with by Urdar http://www.newfluwiki2.com/sho... but it was more for developing the idea, rather than drawing the pattern to help people do it themselves at home.

Urdar had made or at least uploaded these sketches by Lorelle, but they are not what we're looking for.

There's lots written on masks from the first link, but no images except the ones Lorelle sent to Urdar.

This stuff needs a push somehow.  Hmm.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
ok, never mind
I just wondered if you have the EID one.  Thanks



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
Here's one on a CDC page
It's linked to on various sites.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/...

Larger picture, with text:
http://www.planforpandemic.com...

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor


[ Parent ]
susan go ahead and keep the masks!
I'm just saying, to ME, I'd put "Sew Your Own Masks" right up there "Make your own Water Filter".  i.e. slightly more complicated than basic prep.

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.

[ Parent ]
Simple mask - complex response
ACM,

 Hi. Great information on public response. This is how things are fine tuned and polished. To see peoples response and their questions.

 Thank you for posting.

 If is of any consolation, legend has it that Napolion would ask a private if he understood the orders. If the private did then Napolian figures his generals would as well. This is not to put down generals. It exposes how the written word, how the message meets the reader who already has an agenda, a life and "their understanding" of the facts.

 What you are doing is not easy. Best wishes. Wish I was there instead of in class.

Kobie


[ Parent ]
Another one-
utilizes mnemonics or memory aids eg "are you PANDEMIC READY" and "become PANDEMIC READY", also the '3S (in brochure) - Shortages, Sickness, School Closure'

Also, don't forget:
3 days - 3 weeks - 3 months

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

also
- stay home stay put stay in stay healthy"

- get them home, keep them in, keep them safe.

etc.  Just love this stuff!  LOL



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
RE: Real Thing-
the 'real thing' ;-)
Can be viewed this week at the Public Health Preparedness Summit 2008.  
We are at Booth #103.

Apologies for the shameless self-promotion but we registered late (cos of funding issues) and got just about the worst possible spot, tucked well away from traffic.  We can do with as much publicity as we can get!

I will be sending this link to many people, both to inform them of what we are doing and to ask for feedback.  Please feel free to do the same with whoever you think might find this useful!  Thanks!

Well, we didn't get the best of locations at the APHA conference, either -- all the way in the back, but we got a GREAT turnout. We were the busiest booth in our area, with no time to eat and talking our selves horse. Word of mouth spread and people were seeking out "The Mom's Booth". So --- never say 'never', Susan! -k

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -


PHP summit
I will be there Tues and Wed-which days will you be there???

Will stop by with my camera!!! Can't wait to meet you.

It is better to look ahead and prepare than to look back and regret.


[ Parent ]
which days?
the exhibit hall is open on wednesday.  Tuesday is for set-up.

Good, it will be JUST GREAT to meet you again!!!



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
Will see you Wednesday then!
I really look forward to seeing you again! DH and I are attending the free 2 day Advance Practice Center pre-summit training conference being held Tuesday and Wednesday.

It is better to look ahead and prepare than to look back and regret.

[ Parent ]
RM, yes true
but the comment was placed there as a 'poor us, please help!' deal to get some sympathy and attention.  LOL! I'm not above doing that if it will help remind people to LOOK FOR us!

Also this time the location IS worse because we are not located on the way to ANYWHERE, whereas at the APHA people passed by on the way to the poster sessions.

Having said that, I do expect A LOT of interest.  And more is always better.  LOL!



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
SpellCheck!
Dem:
alternate communications - spell check n/t

Thanks for the reminder, Dem! Will take care of this, when the display is returned from Atlanta. We had it shipped from DC to Atlanta. Display never even had time to come back 'home' to PA, in between events, this time! -K

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

Simple Mask-
Yes, that may be an 'advanced prepper' item. We want to make this as easy as possible, which would be buying them, I think. -k

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

simplemask
Some people will buy some masks, we hope.

This kit is being built for many others to use, so the question "should simplemasks be included?" is relevant.

I'm not sure if the paper on simplemasks should be given much time, but I feel it's good to include it.

When I've talked to people about this, I generally toss the simplemasks paper aside as a yeah, one day, maybe, it's good to know this exists but we don't need to look into the details right now thing.

It also sends a clear message: there won't be enough of some important things, and people are thinking out of the box.

Maybe "someone" will write an "Instructor's Manual"?  I don't think it makes sense at this stage (when we need feedback and keeping eyes open to reactions), but maybe further along the road it will make sense.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
I would love it
if this were easily copied into a press release with the same info but add at the top just who and what ReadyMoms is.

If someone has some time and could do that I could paste it on our local website and send it off to our newspapers.

any takers?


not a press-release, but i've copied the text to a wikipage
http://www.fluwikie.com/pmwiki...

Of course, I'm not sure it's needed or wanted at this stage.

Linking to each file will take a short while.

Updating the page as it matures is possibly boring and not necessary.

Thoughts?

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
Excellent!
I can find one of Susan's posts about who and what readymoms are and add it to the top of this wiki and copy and paste.

Hopefully this will get some people in my town thinking that I am not the only cracked egg in the dozen!  LOL


[ Parent ]
the non-food prep list doesn't display correctly on my computer
but other than that it's copied - if wanted

if not, just delete the wikipage :-)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
yes please for press release
but not as written though.  Nobody would read something this long!  Perhaps it should focus on 2 things a) that this 'product' is available(and to come here to find it) and b) that we are at the PHPrep summit so please come visit us!!!

Let's work on that today!



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


[ Parent ]
THANK YOU everyone
for your support and feedback.  As you can imagine (check out what time I posted!) going to bed at 5am, I'm surprised I didn't make more mistakes than I did!  But thanks, good input, as always.  You guys are just great!

On the T-shirt mask, I included that because it actually is quite a easy thing to make, just boil the clothe to shrink it and cut the big piece with the tie-backs, and then 8 layers of square clothe placed inside as padding.  But it was taken straight from a journal (trust academics to make something simple incomprehensible, so it needs to be re-written into a simple format I haven't had time to do it yet!  

It's included for 2 reasons a) not everyone can afford to buy N95, in fact, most people can't and this mask performs better than surgical masks, b) people should keep this instruction handy even if they don't make it now.  That way they will still know how to make it if and when necessary!





All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


check this out
http://www.ccpa.net/cumberland...

Cumberland County Department of Public Safety year end report (newsletter).  

ReadyMom by Megan Moriarty

"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world" - Anne Frank. Cumberland County's very own 'Readyom' embodies this quote as she works towards making sure her fellow citizens are prepared in the event of a H5N1 9Avian Flu) pandemic flu outbreak.....

'ReadyMom' has since attended several state conferences,  completed several courses, created a web forum, outreach program and serves on the Cumberland County Pandemic Preparation Committee.  Most recently she collaborated with Dr. Susan Chu organizing an inter-national grassroots parent  organization 'ReadyMoms Alliance'  which is a legal, non-profit organization 'concerned about the potential of the next pandemic on children, families and communities'.  They have recently attended the American Public Health Association conference in Washington DC (Nov, 2007), the 2nd National Emergency Management Summit in Washington DC (Feb 2-5, 2008), and the 2008 Public Health Preparedness Summit in Atlanta GA (Feb 12-22, 2008)....

Read the rest on page 4 of the pdf.



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


The toolkit is excellent.
Thanks to everyone involved!  

CD idea-
check this out
http://www.ccpa.net/cumberland...
Cumberland County Department of Public Safety year end report (newsletter).  

ReadyMom by Megan Moriarty

How'd you find that? I've been so busy getting things done, ready to leave for Atlanta, I forgot about that! (Thanks!)

Oke - re the CD. Could this possibly be an idea for an RMA fundraiser? Have the disk available for those who want a disk version for a minimal donation? A lot of places offer disks w/ info already on a website. We need $$ to get to these events. And until we get a fund/grant/sponsor/whatever we need to get the $$ somehow.  

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -


Thank you -
to everyone who is brainstorming and helping with this! [hug] -k

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

several updates to top diary
First, I submitted it for review to Promising Practices at CIDRAP.

Also, revised Simple T-shirt mask, short version!  ;-D



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


CIDRAP submission
Saw your comment, above. I submitted everything to them several months ago. I even got an email back from them for further information. Then that's as far as it went. So this will be the SECOND time that they are seeing this information come across their desks. -k

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -

I deleted an incorrect post
apologies to lugon!  LOL!



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:'-( i only wanted to contribute, and you deleted me :'-( LOL
i don't even remember what i said, so probably not important :-?

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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no , it wasn't because of what you wrote
but what I wrote, and your comment happened to sit downstream of the thread.  Quirk of the software. Apologies again, AND, what you wrote was useful!  



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Alt Comm - CB radio
SusanC,

 I like your poster with hand crank radio, walkie talkies,etc.

 Would like suggest
  CB radio - 5 mile radius and many folks have one. Usefull on the road when cell phone goes down.

 Post it notes with permint marker - for taking and leaving messages. Rain and morning dew ruins alot of inks.

Kobie


eXRS radios
TriSquare eXRS radios have about the same range as other two-way radios but can be used in crowded areas where other two-way radios will be overwhelmed if too many are in use. They supposedly ensure privacy and enable the user to create a contact list. I don't have a pair, so I can't vouch for them personally, just thought they looked like an interesting option.

http://www.trisquare.us/exrs.htm


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eXRS radios - good for peer to peer
InKy,

 Good find. Does any one else know of these??

 The " Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum (FHSS) in the ISM band (900 MHz frequencies). " is technical way to say they always look for an open channel

 They look neat. They would be at one end of the spectrum - no pun intended.

 eXRS (private)    Walkie Talkies (some what private) CBs not really private.

 CB would be good because it is a commom channel of communication. Yes they are looked down upon. The language is bad and its more slang than anything.

 If things go bad it would be one way to hear what is going on. 40% absenteeism means 40% fewer people working on news paper, radio, HAM radio and TV at a time when a lot of news will be happening and things will be in flux - IMHO

 eXRS seem to have range and 900Mhz is clear. Good find.

Kobie

 


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LOL.
The advantage of knowing nothing about anything is that you find new stuff while trying to learn what everybody else knows ;-).

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The beuty of the hive, and friends. :o) n/t


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...
alot of the uncontrolled CB traffic will go away once fuel and power are in short supply...  the issues agencies had in Katrina with different comm gear isn't there with CB's.  even on open channels, comms can be as open or closed as people choose - codes and signals have been around for decades.  a 10-50 in Georgia may be a signal 4 in Florida - what the codes/signals mean varies by region and agency.  

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CB - common ground, common channel
C3Jmp,

 Well put. The 800MHz systems are designed for small emergencies not wide broad casting.

 I would like to see
 CH9 - emergeny to police
 CH38 - City announcements
 CH36,37,35,34,33 - Neighborhood info. Multiple channels due to overlap.
 CH1,2 - General Hi, Mr/Mrs xxxxxx, join me on CH 15
 CH 5,6 - Request for service - where is gas, food, ice,
 CH8 - Medical request.
 CH7 - Police help, domestic, wild animal, non emergency.
 CH30,31,32 - General city work since cell phones will be down.

  Codes would be good.

 I also hope LPFM (low power fm) stations would help co-ordinate neighborhoods.

 There are solutions! There are always options.
Kobie
 


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afludiary sums it up very nicely (i think)
http://afludiary.blogspot.com/...

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

thanks, yes
Fla_medic has always been very supportive.  As have many others.  We feel blessed...  ;-)



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How is it going ReadyMoms?
I hate that I can't be there with you this time!

Please drop us a line, hope set up is going well!

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


Quckly-
Only have a little bit of time to check in on sites, and personal email then we will be preparing to send emails to ALL conference attendees whose emails we have to let them know where our booth is.

Event starts tomorrow. Booth is set up in an 8x10' space. Crowded, again, but we're there! We, again, are the 'Diamond in the Rough' type of display, but already are garnering interest from the expo workers who set up! (We've found that happening at each event. Our grassroots display attracts the attention of the grassroots! -Go figure, LOL!)

We'll post, tomorrow, when we get back from our first day. Weather in Atlanta is a heck of a lot better, than back in PA! :) -k

www.EmergencyHomePreparation.org -- A 'card-catalog' style of prepping information.   -


help grassroots meetup and swap for effect without personal exposure
http://www.fluwikie.com/pmwiki...

As per Readymom's request. :-)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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Good luck, best wishes. You are not alone. n/t


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UPDATE
I wrote another brochure last night, for professionals, and giving info on the RM toolkit.

It's available for download here.

And here's a screenshot of the cover




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new brochure now linked to from wikipage
http://www.fluwikie.com/pmwiki... (the link is right at the top, together with a link to the "swap meetups" idea, for those grassroots igniters who can't yet atract professional support)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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thank you!
Is there a link from the wikipage to this diary?  Thanks



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SusanC, yes there's a link to this diary from the wikipage


You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
Only Moms will do it ??
SusanC,

 Only moms will do it?

 So dads are off the hook?

Kobie


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off what hook? ;-)
Did you read the whole thing?  If you haven't, then you need to.  I think you will find it interesting, just guessing from knowing where you normally are ocming from.  ;-)

Also, read the disclaimer.  Moms includes dads as well.  We went through that discussion various times and came back to this same conclusion,  Others may not agree with our approach and that's fine, but in no way are we implying dads are not in the picture somehow!!!



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The cover
SusanC,

 Hi. Regratably no I did not read the book. I did not pick it up nor open it.

 I saw the cover and figured it did not apply to me.

 The cover stayed with me. Some things are written for moms, some things for dads and they cover says moms.

 On Saturday I will put up a static display at a metting of a few hundred guys - basicaly 90 % male audiance. I am not sure the cover would go over well.

 SusanC, you know I have supported you and your efforts and still support you.

Kobie


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Kobie, I responded below LOL!
http://www.newfluwiki2.com/sho...

To put it in context, this is a brochure for the purpose of introducing to those presenters who might be considering using this for their constituents, and not for the general audience.

ie the title 'only moms will do it' refers to how this toolkit is put together with the kind of care and attention to detail that 'only moms' (and people who think like them) are likely to do.

In any case, if you are presenting to a general audience, it is NOT a brochure for them, but it is for you!

Good luck in your display, and let us know what happens!  



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in other words
the 'it' refers to the process of putting the information together to create this toolkit.  ;-)

I guess that's feedback for the next version, though, how to present that thought better!  LOL.



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feedback from Kobie's display
Kobie, please give feedback on how your static display goes!

I think I understand your point.

As I said to GraceRN somewhere earlier on this thread, the "hook" of the "readyMoms" name in my opinion isn't that "only" moms will do it -- but that you know FOR sure those Moms and especially Grannies WILL do it.  

There's a difference though, between using the name "ReadyMoms" for an organization, and useing the phrase "ONLY" moms will do it -- Them's fighting words if you ask me!  I might possibly suggest changing that, even just for the professional brochure, -- to something a little less divisive -- something maybe like, "Get the Moms on Board" or  "You KNow Moms Will Do it" -- which doesn't have to say that Dads -- or those without children WON'T.

And at the expos I went to, I DID have men -- very nice sweet dads, actually, ask me about the name and why it didn't say "Dads" or even "ReadyHomes" or something more inclusive like that.   They kind of understood and all, and they supported the concept, but there were people who had some comments about the "moms" name.



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the thing 'moms' says is that
you don't need a masters degree in public health to do this.

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Static display - feedback
ACM,

 Will do. It is for a yearly event we call University of scouting where adults come together for a day to train each other.

 The static display will be an eye opener type where it brings several groups together.

 The three points of the display a are: Informaiton (Red cross, pandemic flu, Va Dept health,), Authority (quoting WHO, President, HHS, OSHA, DOE, DoE) and band wagoning to show others are doing it (groups, like fluwiki, take the lead, etc)

 The Graph by the WHO showing how many kids have died will be front and center.

 The audiance works with kids. Reason, authoritative source and humor reaches them.

 Will let you know Sunday.

Kobie
Saturdays skit is walking across the stage trowing small strips of yellow caution tape like flowers behind me.
Q: "What is that leader doing?"
A: "Ohh he is the wild one. He is throwing 'CAUTION' to the wind "
 We have a dry sense of humor :o)  


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Static display - static results

  The static display was like fishing with dead baite.

  There where nibbles but no one could pallate the message. Presenting a solution like ReadyMoms seems much better.

  Of the people I did talk to between classes one DoD guy said "Do not worry:We have whold floor of guys working on that."
  I asked him about contractors, Navy family His response was "Do not worry, they have a plan" This is in line with some other folks who said "Do not worry. We have tons of MREs and we can support teh community." If it was a simple Katrina accident yes - but for a pandemic?? I am not sure.

  Another woman is on a Visa from Germany. She heard about H5N1 in Germany but was very reserved about reading anything else.

  People looked, read but did not sign up for any presentations. I hope ReadyMom.org gets some email hits. Yes I left a packet of information at the high school nurse station as well as on a couple of teacher's desks.

  Interestingly one guy brought in a pandemic brouchure from Cox Communication from Norfolk.

  On the other hand a casual opening and conversation brought about interest in H5N1. There is an OutBack steak house Just North of Richmond VA. When I stopped for dinner I mentioned it to the waitress and left some graphs and paperwork. She actually said thank you. She used to work for OSHA's lead abaitment project before switching jobs.

  It seems a personal touch is helpful.

Regards,
Kobie
"Fish with live baite"


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"moms do it, dads do it"
I can't help but look for the mom of jazz sing the lines of "let's do it" ... "moms do it, dads do it"

And that's why birds do it, bees do it
Even educated fleas do it
Let's do it, let's pre-e-e-e-e-pah for flu

Lyrics.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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Readymoms info.
A couple of points please if I may.

Firstly I think it sad that only 'moms will do it'. Not a citisism of you just a comment on society. Sort of suggests that the men are too busy with important things to notice the potential catastrophe.  
Personally I think just as many young women are unprepared as young men -they just want to live and not plan anything.
Most parents have to plan whether they want to or not so maybe it should be 'parents against pandemics'.

Secondly I think you need to revise your maths to take the high estimate of attack rates and case fatality rates -we are all a lot more crowded than in 1918 and a lot of my info suggests that population density will be a big influence.

From various sources the attack rate for the 1918 flu was about 60% worldwide with a fatality range between 50 and a 100 million which comes out at 5-10% of those infected.
If your poster said 'up to 10% of those infected died' and something to say 'it is entirely possible that the next pandemic could be even more dangerous especially if caused by H5N1'.

Maybe it would have a bigger impact on the audiences.
2% doesn't seem worth worrying about when you think that smokers know that 33% of them them die and they still smoke.

 Man occasionally stumbles over the truth.  Most of the time though, he manages to pick himself up and carry on as if nothing had happened.

Winston S Churchill


JK


jake
From various sources the attack rate for the 1918 flu was about 60% worldwide with a fatality range between 50 and a 100 million which comes out at 5-10% of those infected.

Do you have a reference to those sources?  I'd like to see them, thanks!

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


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Casualties
I did loads of research because I've just finished writing a novel on this subject.
So I have lots of sources scattered about but for a quick check just look in wikipaedia under Spanish Flu.

Earlier estimates were tainted because only first world coutries counted deaths in any reliable manner. Researchers have found strong evidence of high casualty rates in lots of countries whose population deaths were not included in the earlier estimates.

One report I read stated the population of the planet at this time was 1.8billion and that 1 billion became infected.  If you want I can try to find it somewhere.

 Man occasionally stumbles over the truth.  Most of the time though, he manages to pick himself up and carry on as if nothing had happened.

Winston S Churchill


JK


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a quick clarification ;-)
First of all, welcome and thanks for your input!

Sort of suggests that the men are too busy with important things to notice the potential catastrophe.
 Just to clarify. If you look at the bottom of the front cover, we did put in a disclaimer that the word mom includes all those who perform any parenting functions.  It's easier, as you can imagine, to use one word than a string of words every time we want to create a memorable line!

Also, on 'parents against pandemics' we on this forum went through many discussions for over a year as to what kind of name is best for something like this, that we are doing.  Perhaps you will be interested in reading this diary Who Will Speak for the People from Dec 06 where further down in the discussion you will find those issues being thrashed out.  This is one example and there are others scattered over many discussions.

Again, welcome and thanks.  We appreciate all input and conversation!  ;-D



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on the maths
Can you clarify  which part of the material you are referring to cos I'm not sure I'm following.  

Secondly I think you need to revise your maths to take the high estimate of attack rates and case fatality rates -we are all a lot more crowded than in 1918 and a lot of my info suggests that population density will be a big influence.

The figures in the posters refer to official estimates from the CDC.  While many have different opinions as to how severe the next pandemic may be, official figures from the CDC, for example, are as far as I understand really more like indicators of scale than actual predictions.

If your poster said 'up to 10% of those infected died' and something to say 'it is entirely possible that the next pandemic could be even more dangerous especially if caused by H5N1'.

Again, I'm not sure which poster you are referring to but if it is the one on death toll in past pandemics, the reference to deaths in Alaska says 'some remote places like Alaska had much higher death rates of up to 100%'  It's a little hard to read but if you copy and paste the imagine into any program then you can enlarge it to see properly.  When we have our website running, all of those will be available in the original, or you can email me and I'll send you a copy.  thanks!



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[ Parent ]
numbers
The poster I'm referring to about numbers is, as you surmised, the one one with the historical reference.
It states 2% of those infected died or something like that.

Current internationally recognised estimates are higher, 5-10%. The American CDC is not the only scientific community in the world and since they are a government org they automatically have a 'spin' on things.

Many current pundits suggest that population density will be key in counting the dead after the next pandemic passes through, therefore rural communities that take precautions should better withstand the assault, I pity city dwellers when the power and water and food run out.

The next one may or may not be H5 related.  If it is it won't matter that the WHO thinks the death rate will be 2.5%, I think the virus will have the last say.

 Man occasionally stumbles over the truth.  Most of the time though, he manages to pick himself up and carry on as if nothing had happened.

Winston S Churchill


JK


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thanks for your clarification
yes you are right that the CDC is by no means the only source of info.  It's only one of the official sources.  As stated in my comments at the top diary, we choose to use 'official' figures for reasons that we had gone through with great care.  The main one being that since opinions can differ over a wide range, and really the purpose of this project is to bring the most simplified version to the public those who have no or minimum prior knowledge, the best approach (at least in our opinion, others may differ) is to use one that a lay person is most likely to look to for verification, so as not to create cognitive dissonance.  

We on this forum have gone through numerous debates on figures and CFR.  On 1918 for example, the most recent estimates from Johnson  et al admits their figure of 50 million overall deaths is an underestimate, and the numbers were probably double.  Now that is a very wide range.  Even though it is an important and interesting debate for science, the lay person who are NOT particularly interested in such nuances are likely to be overwhelmed by anything other than a simplified albeit incomplete picture!

Current internationally recognised estimates are higher, 5-10%.

I was wondering where your figure comes from.  While I don't disagree (I'm agnostic on that point, due to the range of uncertainties), would you care to give us some reference for that?  thanks.

The following is from Johnson, just FYI


One of the most striking aspects of the influenza pandemic of 1918-1920 was the heavy toll on the young adult population. Some regions reported mortality rates for the entire population as high as 5-10 percent.4 On the other hand, there are areas where very low morbidity and mortality were reported.5




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[ Parent ]
note that
the quote from Johnson referred to mortality rate, not case fatality rate.  The 2% on the poster was case fatality.



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[ Parent ]
With a 2% CFR
would this mean that the mortality rate was 6%, if the CAR was 30%?  (I had to work it out using 100 as the population, 30 ill, 2% of 30 dead.)

Is there a reason to not use mortality rate?  I think it's simpler to use death rate per total population, as a starting point in this education process, but I'm not good with figures and get things backwards sometimes.  Would people understand it better to use both mortality rate and the different CFRs that might occur?

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor


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jane I don't think so
I think mortality rate would be the overall percentage of deaths in the community of that disease.

If there were 30% CAR (meaning 30% of the community had the illness) and then of those 30%, 2% died, then the overall death rate for the population would be 2% of 30 or about .6%.

That is, 2 out of every 100 people who caught the flu, died.
But in the entire population, only 6 out of every 1000 people died of the flu (because not everyone caught it.)



GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


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Thanks, ACM! Huge difference! I knew I needed help!
   

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

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how to count the dead
Case fatality rate [CFR] is used in medical practice as a measure of the virulence of an organism. 100 become infected and 10 die is a CFR of 10%.

The strike rate or attack rate is just that.  How many people in the population become ill as a percentage of the whole.  So if those 100 people above came from a population of 200, the strike rate would be 50% and the CFR would still be 10%.

Both are useful figures.

Mortality rate is non specific and could mean per population or per number of diseased people.

This is why medical professionals use CFR and SR/AR.

 Man occasionally stumbles over the truth.  Most of the time though, he manages to pick himself up and carry on as if nothing had happened.

Winston S Churchill


JK


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also note the quote from Johnson
One of the most striking aspects of the influenza pandemic of 1918-1920 was the heavy toll on the young adult population. Some regions reported mortality rates for the entire population as high as 5-10 percent.4 On the other hand, there are areas where very low morbidity and mortality were reported.5

In Susan's quote from Johnson, above, during the Spanish Flu Pandmeic, some areas reported MORTALITY RATES of 5 to 10%.   That means, out of every 100 people in the community, 5 to 10 died.    If you figure not everyone in the community was sick with the flu, that is a very high CFR.   Let's just say, "only" half the community contracted the flu.  CAR 50%.

That would be a CFR of about 10% to 20%, right?  

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


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yes exactly
That was my point that there are places where the CFR was very high.  And then there were other places where the CFR was much lower.  There are obviously huge challenges with deriving meaning from historical data much of which is incomplete.  I've had various conversations with Howard Markel and Taubenberger, and I always come away more uncertain than I started.

Just to give you an idea, the range from the Johnson paper for death rates per 1000 varied from 1.2 for Argentina to 445 for Cameroon!  



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CAR, CFR and mortality defined (i hope)
http://www.fluwikie.com/pmwiki...

- CAR = "Cummulative Attack Rate" = "total of cases divided by the total population".  A simpler term is "attack rate".  How many in a community (or world) are hit.

- CFR = "Case Fatality Rate" = "total of deaths divided by total of cases."  A simpler term is "lethality".  How dangerous it is to fall ill.  How deadly it is for the ill.  Once someone falls ill, what are their chances of dieing.

- Mortality = "total of deaths divided by the population".   Population = some fall ill + some don't.  Historians count the dead when it's difficult to find out how many fell ill (i.e., they don't know the CAR).

So, if population was 2000, 600 fell ill and 30 died, that means:
* CAR = 600 in 2000 = 30%
* CFR = 30 in 600 = 5%
* and mortality = 30 in 2000 = 1.5%.

Sometimes we'll see "mortality" (wrongly) used instead of "CFR" and we'll have to run the numbers ourselves to see what the speaker or writer meant.  Precision is lost for speed.

For practical purpuses, IF at the begining of the next pandemic we see a high CFR coming (say 1000 ill abroad at the very start of the pandemic, and 50+ of them die), we won't know what the CAR will be at the end of the pandemic, but we'll want to keep the CAR low for as long as possible, to buy time for doing many things.

In very human terms:: "Is it deadly?  It's transmitted by people?  Then please let's stay away from each other while we learn what else to do!".  That will be everyone's initial and perfectly healthy reaction.

Now, staying away from each other is neither easy nor a perfect solution, which is why we'll want to modulate and perfect that initial protective reaction.

That's why there are NPI meassures (= isolate ill + quarantine contacts + cover cough & masks + less daily contacts per person) turned into policies (=plans) and turned into preparedness (for us to be able to carry out the policies).

At this stage, it's obvious we have more plans than preparedness, which is why we need to keep moving.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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"staying away from each other ... not a perfect solution" explained
I'll explain myself before anyone asks: 100% isolation for 100% of the population means a number of people will die because of lack of, well, all those things we need from each other.

It's a matter of finding a creative valley between the two mountains: full human contacts with many deaths, and no contacts at all with many deaths.

"How to do that" is tricky but doable.

How to get to "being able to do that if there's need to" is, hmm, kind of our mission here.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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see what I mean? ;-)
Getting back to the RM toolkit, the challenge is how do you take such complex definitions and uncertainties and disagreements and put together a message that is going to represent the problem to some degree of accuracy while retaining your audience?  Remember this project is about getting people who are not just uninformed, but also mostly skeptical to pay attention.  Add to that the issue that preparedness involves significant behavioral change, with that high resistance, we need to be wary that we don't blow people out of the water before you get a chance to talk about how to prepare!!



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fwiw, there's a comment on this worldchanging.com piece of news
Who will tell the people, and how?
Alex Steffen February 20, 2008 5:55 PM

The Australian government's top adviser has come forward with a major report on climate change. His conclusions? It's worse than we thought. We need to move much more quickly.

[...]

People are not really ready for this, but we're not in a position to let that stop us. I'm not sure it's too much of an overstatement to say that what's needed is not just some issue education but a national mind-blowing.

But how do we do that? What's your best or favorite idea for dramatically changing environmental perspectives on a mass basis?

In my comment there, I've suggested people look at this here.  I hope every bit helps!

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


[ Parent ]
oh, and I like the "dramatically" word (if it's useful)


You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

[ Parent ]
numbers
1918: World population around 2000 million means if clinical attack rate was 30%, then 600 million fell ill.  If 20 million died, that's 20 in 600 = 1 in 30 = 3.3% CFR.  If 40 million died, that's 6.6% CFR.  If 50 million died, that's 50 in 600 = 1 in 12 = 8.3% CFR.

Many "IFs", so why talk about CFR 2%?  I too wonder.  Maybe because it was different in different countries, and we all think our country will be above average in survival, just like everyone I know is above average in intelligence and skill. ;-)

Kidding aside, yes: the virus will have the last say.  And pandemic flu has already done it: it has behaved extremely badly with a number of populations in the past, so it has the potential to behave very badly again.

We have the potential to do a lot, too.  Some of us here are angry optimists, in a way.  ("Angry" and "optimist" are fluid states, that's true.)

Anyway, here are 2 references I like about numbers:

- One especially important question that was discussed is whether the H5N1 virus is likely to retain its present high lethality should it acquire an ability to spread easily from person to person, and thus start a pandemic. Should the virus improve its transmissibility by acquiring, through a reassortment event, internal human genes, they the lethality of the virus would most likely be reduced. However, should the virus improve its transmissibility through adaptation as a wholly avian virus, then the present high lethality could be maintained during a pandemic." WHO experts September 2006

- the numbers' game

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Exactly
You are absolutely correct about the numbers, depends on where you get them.  Mine said 1.8 billion and 1 billion strike with 50-100 mill dead.

Anyway I like the reference. It is quite the point.
The two options are reassort or adaptation. Now here's where it gets tricky.  There are a goodly number of virologists, some of whom are my colleagues and I have spoken about this to them, who believe that adaptation is common and reassortment is a rarity.

There's a shed full of stuff to support that but most of it is a better sleeping draught than half a pound of phenobarbitone.

The point is that there is so, so little that this virus has to do to be really effective H2H its just amazing that it hasn't done it already.

The most likely change will be adaptation so we really aught to be looking at some horrendous planning possibilities and the worst end of the scale.

Survivors rule OK!

 Man occasionally stumbles over the truth.  Most of the time though, he manages to pick himself up and carry on as if nothing had happened.

Winston S Churchill


JK


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Umm, I'm not sure we know that
The point is that there is so, so little that this virus has to do to be really effective H2H its just amazing that it hasn't done it already.

Until the day when it achieves that, do we know that it CAN?  I'm not aaying it can't, it's just that we don't have enough knowledge to make the distinction between "it can but hasn't' and "it can't"./

The biggest uncertainty (or one of the biggest) is that all we know about human seasonal and pandemic flu comes from the 1918 virus and its descendants, whereas H5N1 comes from a totally different ancestry.  Do we know that they behave the same way?  Do we know that they use the same mutations?  Actually we don't, not really.  

I touched on this issue of uncertainty, in this commentary that I wrote for the ECDC, http://www.newfluwiki2.com/sho...  



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OK is dinner over yet?
Where's today's update?????  

(-;

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


coming up
in the other diary.  Later.  RM is doing some complicated travel arrangements, and I should probably do the same.  ;-)



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To Grace RN:
My regret is that when you stopped by the booth, I was not able to spend more time getting to talk with you!! When you stopped by, we became so busy and I never even saw you leave! It was great to meet you for even a few minutes! At one point I remember seeing you in the background, as I was talking nodding your head, your face beaming at the response you saw, but had only read about in our posts. It truly is an amazaing experience, isn't it??? I hope our paths have the opportunity to cross again, one day! -k

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sorry as well...
I look forward to meeting you again!

You had so many people trying to talk to you-and your explanations are perfect! Simple, easy to understand so basic! I liked listening to their comments as they left your exhibit.

I plan to duplicate your printouts, exhibit etc as best as I can for local use. You really do need to be 'picked up' ie get fully funded by CDC, CIDRAP so you can do this full-time and expand.

Kudos to both of you!!


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do share!
Grace, what comments did people have leaving the exhibit?  

That is so great that you will also try to do a similar type of display in your area!   Just read your comment on another thread about talking to a friend about why to prep -- and how she responded to "Prep for your grandkids!"   That is it, in a nutshell, I think, that's the reason for the "moms" focus.   That's really the hook, it just is.   Not that others WON'T of course, but that for sure moms and grannies WILL.  In my opinion.

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ReadyMom...
It's a great 'hook', and it's the honest truth. As a nurse if I do patient care during the pandemic I know the risks, and I am fine with that.

BUT
-'My' grand-boys ages 8 and 18 months-I'd walk across molten lava for them. It's ALL for them amd my 3 adult kids

One woman whose ID said CDC was grinning ear to ear saying "that's exactly right! They've (ie you) got it right, this is exactly what's needed....', another guy was saying 'this is excellent, creative, down to earth, basic'...

I kid you not-you need to get funded so you can organize this nationwide and take it on the road....

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I know ;-)
ReadyMom.
It's a great 'hook', and it's the honest truth.

that has been our experience.  Cos as you can imagine the first time we did it, we really had no idea how people would respond.   We went through these issues, debated it back and forth so many times in the past months, just cos we really didn't have much by way of guidance or precedence to know whether we were doing the 'right' thing, so the most important thing for us was to pay attention to the feedback, what people were saying, positive or otherwise.  The name definitely was a great catch right from day 1!  Everybody just loves it!

At one point we debated whether we should change it to be gender non-specific.  I was in this meeting with Marty Cetron and when I mentioned it he said No, cos every single public health indicator of community wellbeing is improved when you do something to empower women!  Then the next day another speaker said the same thing, and that this was across all societies and all cultures.  Even though I already knew that but is was different to hear from these experts.  From then on, we had no doubt that we would keep the name, and just put in disclaimers wherever we feel it ma be appropriate!

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Great Hook
Grace RN,

 Hi. Ready Moms is a great hook.

 Two questions.

 Is it ready Moms or read women? Women who are not yet moms or will be only through adoption.

  Would the book be as appealing as "Ready Dads" ?

  I trust SusanC and know there is a disclaimer but did not pick the book up to find out there is a disclaimer.

Kobie


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Kobie, ;-)
listen up, it's not a book.  It's a 2 page brochure.  I'd suggest that you download and read it, rather than talk around it, cos I can guarantee that you will come away with different thoughts.

You know why I can say that?  Cos I spent 12 hours the other night writing it up, and I chose the line with reason.  Read it, and tell me whether you agree with my approach.  Please.  For my/our benefit.

;-)



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Here's the brochure with the "dads included" disclaimer
http://www.newfluwiki2.com/upl...

The disclaimer (bottom of very first page) is not everywhere.

It's the home-keeping, life-sustaining role that's being targetted.  Right between the eyes.

Some people just "know" - and some will know the "wrong"
thing.

If conversations are stirred, ain't that good?

It could be addressed at "home managers", and no-one would understand a thing, or maybe they would.

Could Kobie have a .DOC to adapt the brochure for the 90% male audience, see how that goes, and report back, just as an experiment?  We're all in for a learning ride, I think.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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SusanC ;o) Will do
SusanC,

 Hi. I will download it. I have been at class and was frustrated with the political debate. I hope I did not come on to strong.

 I believe your reason is good. Conglomarants (sp?) spin off many companies that make basicly the same product in order to reach multiple different markets.

 RadyMoms, ReadyDads, Ready LDS (Latter day saits), etc.

 I do not want to hijack your work. Just one point of view.

 It is all good.

Kind Regards,
Kobie
 


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ReadyGrandmoms! ;)


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ReadyGrandmom
Grace RN.

  Just the title says so much - "this information is for you"

  Eh?

Kobie


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Yep
Hit it on the head Kobie. This 'Nana' will do everything within her power to ensure her beloved children and grandchildren live.

It is better to look ahead and prepare than to look back and regret.

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well, it's good only if its useful
for those of you who use it.  So feedback is very important.

Let us know how it goes after the weekend, and good luck!



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Its good if it is usefule and meets the market.
SusanC,

 Hi. Feedback is import for the dialog that creates and polishes the information and skill we need.

 I will post a more detailed report but was amaze at how many people wanted to know a solution was being worked on but did not want to talk about pandemic.

 Earthquake, nuclear war/power, AIDS, economy plumeting to our (us) doom - they are all well know topics. Important topoics. Pandemic - no.

  Maketing is a bigger chunk of starting a pandemic conversation than I thought.

  I belive your words are good, it is getting them into the hands of those that need to hear it.

Kobie

 


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ReadyMom
If you get the chaznce, email me at puub@comcast.net

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Re
Actally there have been 'Dads' 'mannning' the 'ReadyMoms' booth and we've never heard a single complaint!

Our most recent 'Dad' was helping us in this Atlanta event. He was even wearing a sticker that said "Ask Me about ReadyMoms"! I noticed a lot of men liked have another man to talk to in our booth.  -k

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YES! He puts us to shame!
Now I'm wearing a sticker!  

LOL



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Grace RN-
I'm finally home in PA. Email coming up! -k

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Glad you're back home safe and sound.
 What a trip! I assume you drove?

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Flew -
Three planes in one week! Babies who behaved on on 2 of the 3 flights (thank goodness!) I can't wait to sleep in my own bed, tonight! -k

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update
Posters in 20in x 30in format available from top diary.  First 2 ready, others coming!



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Typo Correction!
I have a typo to correct in poster #2! Will fix today sorry! k

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more posters uploaded
top diary. The only one missing is #7.  We have to fix a typo.  Thanks for everyone's patience!



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Copying Posters
I just found a website that will copy really cheap. They have 24 x 30" posters for just $11.95 (vs $40+ that I have priced all around me, locally). We printed the posters onto 24" x 30 inches, because that was what was on sale at my local Office Max, this past week. After putting them up on our poster frame, I'm inclined to maybe want a smaller size. At this site, the smaller size would be 24 x 18 for $7.50 ea. That's an even better price. This would make getting one piece posters a much easier display item to have and easier on the budget!I'm going to order a couple to see what the quality is like.

I'm thinking that by the time you print the smaller sections, buy the poster paper, glue, etc. you may be spending just about the same.  -k

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thanks. do you have a link? n/t




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Selling them
Why not offer them for ~$12-15/each?  

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No, we don't intend to sell them
We want to keep the content freely available to anyone.  There are already lots of barriers to community outreach, we don't want to add to anybody's costs.

Having said that, we are happy to accept donations, thanks for asking!  ;-)  They can be sent to:

ReadyMoms Alliance,
PO Box 574
Enola PA 17025

ie, until we get a paypal account up and running...



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"free" as in "speech", "free" as in "beer"
If the information is there for the taking, any association can still take orders and do the dirty job.

A local "lions' club" (or more likely an individual within that club) could do that as a service to the wider community.

It goes like this:

Hi, I'm taking orders for posters.  Once I have 10 orders we'll have this price.  I charge this reasonable price for my effort, or you can print it yourself, or you can replicate my model in your own place.

Effort is paid for to make it sustainable.

Information is free as in speech.

Bottomline: faster spread.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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you forget
Effort is paid for to make it sustainable.

effort is also needed to administer any system of sales.  Such efforts are really cost-effective (time and money-wise) with some degree of economy of scale.  



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"economy of scale" vs "all paths lead to Rome"
(I think) we want the physical means of "telling the people" into the hands of those who'll step forward to do the telling.

Several ways to get this done:

1- Each talker goes to their own shop to have the printouts done.  The hard way, and that's what many will do.  Having a number of internet shops to call is useful.

2- A specialised entity takes orders and sends the whole package.  Someone will do it if there's a market.  I don't see that happening right now.

3- A method is outlined to aid "supporters" who want to help "speakers", using the "free for the taking" content and creating local copies of it IF it's easy for them to do so.  This could easily be a #1 person who makes it easier for others.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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yes, but someone else can do it
Anyone else can do it.  LOL We are so maxed out.  You have no idea how many things we are doing.  



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i wasn't suggesting RMA would do it - far from it!
You know, sometimes ideas can just be floated to see if there's an available hand around.  People who want to know how to help.

In some places there's this cultural heritage suggesting that males say "someone could do this" (with no intention of getting up to fetch that can of beer) AND immediately females think "but there's so much on my plate already!" (and then go and do it).   (LOL?  Not really, I don't think.)

So I fully agree with your "someone ELSE can do it". :-)

And no, I have no idea how many things you're doing.

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and there is no demand
right now, that I can see.  Anyone who is experiencing problems with printing and need help by all means email us.  And we ARE helping those who are in contact with us.

I am however very reluctant to set up the precedence of offering help where no help is being asked for, by those who are actually using the material.  This suggestion while useful is something we can keep in mind but all suggestions no matter how trivial require time and energy to execute.  We need for the purpose of efficiency to differentiate between a good idea and a genuine need.  ;-)



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Why to sell..
..for people like me who prefer to send a check and get the product.

Honest!

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well thank you
You can STILL send a check to us.  Yes please!

But we don't want to make it compulsory, because we don't want the cost to be a barrier to those who cannot afford it, and we don't want to create an obligatory administrative task!

In addition, I'm researching the non-profit 502c3 irs designation, and there are prohibitions against selling content that is being provided by government for free, or at least declarations need to be made, which means more paperwork.  I'm still unclear on the full details, but, as you can see, the simpler we make it, the better we can use our time to do the real work of disseminating this information.  

The simplest model is to make it available for free, and let those who are willing donate to us.

Something else, for those of you who are considering helping us (Yes, Please!!) we are headed towards applying for 501c3 tax exemption designation, which will make your donations tax exempt.  We will be making the application in the next few months, and once the exemption is granted, it will be retroactive to cover all donations from the date of incorporation.  So if you made a donations to us, and we told you before that it will not be tax deductible, I just want to say that at this point it appears that was INCORRECT, and that once we complete the process, it will be retroactive.

And for those of you who don't know what the heck I'm talking about, the short version is, please help us keep doing our work, the next phase being the all-important one of bringing this information systematically to parents.  We have committed to go to the National PTA convention.  There are additional opportunities for further dissemination of this information through other institutions that are under discussion.  All these activities cannot succeed if our money runs out!  

Donations will be eligible for tax deductions if and when the paperwork is completed to the satisfaction of the relevant bodies, even if it may need to be done retrospectively!  Please bear with us as we are running after a process that has gone faster and better than we imagined!  



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I think I understand what you mean Grace!
I also would usually prefer to just have someone do all the printing out for me, and just get the finished product.

it is just EASIER to do it that way.

In such a case, you wouldn't be paying for the product but the "service" of having someone "box it up" for you.  On the other hand, if you put it together for yourself, from an array of suggested materials, you can probably better alter the display materials to whatever group you are aiming at.

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What if?
What if you could work something out with the printer you used, whereby you submit the entire set of posters and they keep the set on file?  They could print and ship the ReadyMoms poster set on request.  ReadyMoms would just need to provide the contact information to people who wish to do presentation.  An arrangement like that would hand off the legwork to the printers :-).

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what is the difference
between that and right now, where anyone can download it and ship it to whichever printer they want to use?  And anyone who finds a good printer can always put up a link.  Plus people can change the posters before sending them off to print, cos many would likely want to do that.

I apologize for sounding like a broken record but I'm again just telling it like it is.  Here's an all-important prime concern for me, personally, and I know it's the same for RM and others helping us.  The prime concern is time and work.

Any work that can be done relatively easily by others, please, let others do it.  We can do with less work, not more.  Any extra time that we may have left over (which at this point on my diary, doesn't look like happening before November, and that is only on existing commitments) needs as a matter of urgency to be spent on other matters, such as putting up a website, and getting the IRS designation done which is going to require weeks and weeks of work.   No significant collaboration or sponsorship or donation is going to happen without that.  And of course on raising funds.  There's no point in having perfect posters if we are going to have to close up shop real soon.

So apologies everyone, we really have to be extremely careful how we use our time. Yes we can make everything about the posters perfect, but we are not going to do that, cos on the grand scheme of things, there are more important things to do.  Thanks for your understanding and assistance!  ;-)



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because it is one more step
it is just one more step between having the poster and not having the poster.   A lot of people (like me) have NEVER printed something at a place like Kinkos before, don't have the first idea how to do it.  If ReadyMom hadn't printed them out for me, I probably honestly would be going to my event tomorrow  with no posters.

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.

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yes it's one more step
so is the next step.  LOL.

Look, we may have to agree to disagree.  The bottomline is we provide the material and as much help as we can, but we have to draw the line somewhere.  For me the sensible place to draw the line is at where the material is available for download.  Of course y'all are welcome to help each other.  And please do help each other.  We really can't do everything.



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...
I don't have a problem with downloading the files and finding a printer myself, and in no way did I intend any criticism (a phenomenal resource has been created here) - I was just trying to find a win-win solution.  When the posters are more or less finalized and I have time to work on preparing for a ReadyMoms display, I'll be glad to try to negotiate something with the printer in addition to getting my own set of posters made.  But I have to offer the same caveat you do right now - lack of time.  My significant block of time is still three months away.  That seems like forever, given all that needs to be done.

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sure, I understand ;-)
All in the spirit of cooperation.  I hope your timing issues work out well.  Mine looks chronic and intractable.  LOL



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The differences is time:
- Downloading files from the website
- Investigating best prices for a printer
- Uploading files to the printer of choice, one by one.
- Picking up posters if they are not mailed.

You know the drill better than I because you have done it :-).  For people new to the process, it takes even more time.  If people have only X number of hours they can dedicate to getting things done, shaving hours off the process make it more likely that they will say, "Yes, I can do this, and I can do it in time for that community event 2-3 weeks from now."

The reason I thought this idea a good one is that files need only be uploaded to the printer once by means of this arrangement.  It would be a second option, in addition to the DIY approach, which will likely remain preferable for some.



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yes, of course
we may eventually be able to do all this.  But as I said on the title of this diary, this really is the first cut.  I think the concerns you raise illustrate really well the amount of work that is needed.  If anyone is willing to help work out the logistics and be in charge of looking after that, please get in touch with us.  We are as I said in desperate need of manpower, so at this point, we will not be able to provide as much help to everyone as one would want.  In time, maybe, but all subject to the bigger picture of what else might actually be more important and productive for the bigger goals, which is to spread this as far and wide as possible.

For example, once we get our website and forum running, there's a lot of mutual help that can happen without RMA having to be the overseeing of such activities.  But we need to get there first.

If people have only X number of hours they can dedicate to getting things done, shaving hours off the process make it more likely that they will say, "Yes, I can do this, and I can do it in time for that community event 2-3 weeks from now."

Interestingly, that is exactly what we are looking at right now, people who only have X number of hours they can dedicate to getting things done.  And that is us, currently.

Again apologies, but this situation is likely to continue for quite a while longer.  We could have waited till we are able to give everyone the perfect solution before putting them up, which would have taken us a few more weeks with everything else going on/  But we figure it's better to have an imperfect solution that others can improve on, than try to be all things to all people and thereby delaying being able to get this out at all.

I hope you can see the dilemma of our positions.



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Understood.
I think you are doing the right thing by publishing the first cut as is.  The option I suggested is possibly a neat solution for a bit further down the road because it would ease the process for users without hassling you all - people could buy directly from the printer instead.  

I should be able to offer more by way of help when school is out for a (short) summer - am planning on that :-).  Thanks, as ever, to the ReadyMoms for all you do!


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this is not directed to ReadyMoms
I think "someone" - meaning "someone else" - could perhaps volunteer to do what the RMA cannot do: collect money for doing a service.

External allies.

If someone does that, they would be helping end users of the product, without making producers work even more.

Said volunteers can even use that money to pay for their own materials.

Alternatively, maybe "someone" - again meaning "someone else" - might find one such shop and do the work of connecting end users with the printshop.  It's just a matter of collecting orders - that "someone else" could create a gmail account or similar - take orders and transfer them to the printshop.

Or maybe it's as simple as writing a how-to?

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see? all these people here
can and do have various ways of self-organizing.  If and when there is a need, just give everyone a shout, I'm sure someone will come up with some help!

That's the beauty of the hive mind.. and as Kobie said hive hands!



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Here's the link -
in case anyone else wants to give it a try and offer feedback. (I have NO affiliation with this company. I was just tooling around the net, looking for an inexpensive option for getting the posters printed.) -k

http://posters.sircooper.com/

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poster size-
We printed the posters onto 24" x 30 inches, because that was what was on sale at my local Office Max, this past week.

I'm wrong - we had the posters printed on 24 x 36". Although they were formatted to be printed smaller, Office Max formatted the file to the poster size they had on sale. Probably would be same if you wanted a smaller poster from that file. -k

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the tabletop signs have now been updates
Whereas they were small gif files before, now they are full size pdf files, ready to print.  Plus we've added 2 signs for food, one for the 'official' recommendation of 2 weeks minimum, the other for 2 weeks plus increasing to 12 weeks.

To suit all purposes.  ;-)



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I clicked on the first 3 posters and have a question.
Are some of the rectangular boxes supposed to be empty, as a design element?  Some boxes look as if they could be captions for the photos, maybe?  Poster 2, especially.  Oh, I just scrolled up on this diary, and there is writing on the posters.

No hurry, for me.  I'm still getting to the tri-fold leaflet.  DH shrunk it at the office and copied it in black and white on 8x11 paper, so it shouldn't cost $1/page (the Office Depot price-ouch) when I take it to the copy shop.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor


wait, I'm working on them
I've got another diary for the purpose of downloading, and some of the file names have changed, so there may be some faulty links right now..  So hold your downloads.  I should have them up tomorrow.  I've been out all day, and I'm knackered.  I can do it better and faster tomorrow with fewer mistakes, if y'all will just hold on ;-)  thanks.



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Jane Said:
DH shrunk it at the office and copied it in black and white on 8x11 paper, so it shouldn't cost $1/page (the Office Depot price-ouch) when I take it to the copy shop.

Jane, I found a place on line that copies really, really cheap!

Go Here: http://posters.sircooper.com/

They are .04cents/ per side, so the brochure would be .08/sheet for 8x11! At my Office Max, here in PA it's .09cents/per side-making it .18cents/sheet. Probably the same at yours, since it's a chain. I don't see the 11x14 size that our brouchure is formatted for. The next size up is 11x17 and it's pricey.

I just checked shipping charges. (They ship 1-2 days), I'm thinking it might be pricey. (BRoncoBill, can you 'weigh in' - pun intended - on this? You know about weight of paper, etc.).

Go here for shipping charges: http://www.sircooper.com/ups.html  -k

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RE printing questions-
I did offer this site on line for printing:
http://posters.sircooper.com/  -- if that helps. If you know what you are doing. You can send them ALL the files you want to use for your event at one time. Get them ALL delivered at the same time (it says 1-2 day turnaround) and then trim & assemble. Also can get your brochures/handouts printed cheap, too! That seems pretty easy. Does this help at all?? -k

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Lugon said:
Or maybe it's as simple as writing a how-to?

Lugon, I am currently in the midst of formatting all the signs and pantry posters, lettering, etc. for easy access to assemble the dislay.

For example, for the lettering for the posters, there is a one page explanation step-by-step saying what color letters to use for the color posterboard you use (using black posterboard? Use red lettering w/white trim that I formatted. Using white posterboard? Use red lettering w/ blacktrim that I formatted, and how to place the lettering, what to use for adhesive (glue stick or sticky tape?? Its in the directions), etc. etc. etc.

I'm assuming that's what you mean.

The small signs ('Goggles', 'Gloves', etc) for the Tri-fold poster boards have been formatted w/ a yellow trim around the edges. This way the folks using them DO NOT have to MATT the small signage to a yellow paper and then glue to the poster.  They just have to trim away the white 8.5 x11 excess paper up to that yellow and glue the sign to the poster. You'll be skipping one whole step.

Same with the pantry photos. I'll be adding the red or yellow trim around each photo. Trim and paste.

I hope all that will help w/ speed and ease of putting the display together. -k



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i don't think it can get easier than that
actually - no i don't think it can get any easier than that!

wow!

I have one suggestion for you gals: do ask for specific help, will you?

I mean, this is not just a hive mind, but also a hive hand.

No-one will do things as perfectly as you, we know that. ;-)

Just take a look at your to-do list and see if maybe one or ten things are outsourceable.  Maybe things you're leaving for later, which some other people can try helping at.  If the result is not perfect ("bwaaaah, the readymoms didn't like what i did!"), you just lose a friend or two.

Worth trying?

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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Thank you, Lugon!
I don't know what you do in your 'spare' time, or if you work fulltime, or are a stay-at-home-mom or .....!

But right now, ACM is putting together a 'quick' display for tomorrow. And I've helped a bit w/ some of the printing, etc.

What do you think of yourself or someone else volunteering a 'dry-run' assembly of the display, when the sections are all up? From start to end w/ no help (like I lent to ACM)to give feedback on if the instructions were clear, if it was easy enough, time constraints (so we can note them in the instructions), etc.

I've made this display over a period of time. Perfecting areas/signs as I've gone along and realized a tweak here and a tweak there was needed. Most recent addition was small table notes that are scatterd among the display items for browsers to read (like you would find scattered in an historic display of itmes). This way if folks want to look w/ out our input, there is still additional info on the tables.


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the guys who create free software ask for "beta testers"
Let me explain because I think you'll like this:

1) Computer software are like recipes: a list with instructions that someone else will carry out with their own ingredients.

2) Software developers write the instructions, creating an "alpha version" which they try themselves at home.

3) At some point in time, they are more or less happy with the recipe, and call it a "beta version".

4) So they ask a few corageous end-users to test the software.  These are the "beta testers".

5) Corageous end-users try to "break the software".  They type all sorts of serious and stupid things, punch keys at expected and unexpected times, etc.

6) Then they report back to the developer, with detailed and helpful reports, who then refines the recipe.

BTW: if the whole process is open, more eyes and minds can chip in to help.  "With many eyes, all bugs (computer software errors) are shallow".

7) Finally, a real product is launched with enormous success.

If the software is free, it can be copied in no time to many distant locations.

If the text is in translatable format, something that can be left for the next iteration ... you get the idea.

So ...  Yes.  I'm ready to be a beta tester, and the more beta testers the better.

No problem, Your Royal Developerness.  Ask and we shall see!  LOL

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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Lugon said:
I have one suggestion for you gals: do ask for specific help, will you?

I mean, this is not just a hive mind, but also a hive hand.

Well one thing that would help is in regards to the request that is being made for 'kits'. We would llike you all to consider the idea of helping each other on the side. If someone wants to organize and be the contact point to put 'kits' together to help folks get started. GREAT! What wonderful networking you will be doing. That would be a start. WE can't do it. WE don't have time. But some of YOU do.

You would need to do this, like I said 'on the side', apart from RMA. This would be a 'neighbor-helping-neighbor' type of venture. (like the idea of local neighbors trading community event leadership for each other). You would have to work out the logistics of quantitiy of copies, shipping charges to each other, any mounting or assembly of poster items, handouts, etc. You SHOULD NOT charge a fee, other than the S&H to each other. As much as this is a good idea, to make a whole ready-made kit available for dispursement, RMA is just so short-handed we can't do that. But you guys can surely figure out a way to do it between you!

Honestly, I when I stand back and look at how fast RMA is moving forward and how quick we need to run to keep up with the forward progress and enthusiastic response from folks in significant positions from all walks of governement and healthcare, I'm in awe! NO WAY, would I have imagined that a display that I offered in my church, last year would be the topic of such discussions and planning now.

So, YES, Lugon, this is one way that you (collectively) can step up and help us get this display started in communities! THANK YOU for offering us the opportunity to ask for this help! -{hug} -k  

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{hug} to you too, Readymom!
Now, it looks like the positions for these two posts are available:

a) DIY testers: a number of people who will do a dry run to assemble the kit without help and report back to the community.
-- They don't even need to actually use it themselves if they are shy! but testing it is good help!
-- Notice the plural: testers.  More than one tester, please!  Biodiversity helps evolution.

b) Help-others testers: someone(s) who will collect 1 or up to 5 orders, and help make the appropriate connections or whatever is needed for a smooth operation.
-- Of course, this type of job means offering an email address and a state to collect orders; others will send orders, deal with money matters in whatever way needs to evolve, and complete the deal with moneys and goods in appropriate hands.
-- Someone could agree to play the "helpless newbie" part, to help the helper.
-- And, again, report back to the wider community to see what works and what could be refined.

How many hands are up in the air? :-)

I can help with the ideas, general encouragement and yes, I'll try and dry-run the DIY part.  Not the other part, not anytime soon.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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printing re-visited!
First of all, thank you to everyone for your ideas and feedback.  We need all of that even if at times we may not be able to respond as you would have liked or expected.  I am however finding out as we speak how unexpected any of this can be!!

Just as an example, I am as I said investigating this issue of charity status and what can or cannot be done or how the IRS views certain activities.  Suffice it to say that it's very complicated and I'm only at the beginning stages of fact-finding.  But the interesting revelation was that there is a major consideration if you are a nonprofit whether you choose to 'charge' for services or receive donations for them.

For example, to qualify as a 501c3 charity, a certain percentage of the annual revenue has to come from contribution from public sources, either government grants or donations from individuals or groups of individuals.  While donations count, charges made for the services or products provided, even if those were provided for the original charitable purpopse, do NOT count towards that requirement.  The IRS views this as a straightforward business transaction.  

So if for example, RMA puts up the material, you guys download it, and you find the stuff really useful, and you want to send us a check (yes, please!) that fulfills the requirement.  But if we charge for it, even if we collect exactly the same amount or less than market rates, that kind of money still does not fulfill the requirement for charitable status!

I have several books and lots of links to pursue.  It's an interesting learning experience to say the least!  I'm sure we will make mistakes along the way, I just hope that they won't be major or someone will spot it and tell us before they become major!

In the meantime, thanks for your patience while we are struggling with our steep learning curve.  We will try to keep y'all posted as much as possible.  ;-D



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


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unpacking the value-creation chain so that we can accept more hands into the action itself
I've been reading some pages of "The World Is Flat", and I found it interesting how a "chain" can be split up, conceptually at least, in "links".  Then each "link" can be outsourced or not, as needed.

More clearly stated: each of the steps needed for a successful local presentation can be done by a different person or group.

- Materials:
-- Concept and developement: RMA/GPR/whoever.
-- Printing: someone else.
-- Paying for it: yet someone else!  Maybe a rich-place's Lion's Club can donate for, say, 5 kits for places that fulfill certain specifications (poor, uncovered, new, whatever).  Just an idea, but the concept is "we can pay/donate for each other".
- Running the show:
-- Conveners.
-- Swappers (I go to your place and you come to mine).
-- Presenters.

This is not a full list/outline, but I hope the idea makes sense: unpack the value-creation chain so that we can accept more hands into the action itself.

Maybe this goes against the idea of keeping things simple (a strategy that makes sense at early stages when you want the flexibility that comes from simplicity), but I feel we're at a stage in which we want to make things powerful (something that makes sense at the explosion stage).

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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Don't charge for it.
Simply have the poster kit on file with a printer and let people order the kit directly from the printer.  Ordering wouldn't go through ReadyMoms at all. I'll try to see if/how this can be done; I should be able to research week after next.

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it's in the printshop's interest to make things easy, yes
And if there's more than one printshop doing the same thing, then that's even better.

Thanks for taking the time to search!  I'm sure if someone can search too they will post here ;->.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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Don't charge for it.
Simply have the poster kit on file with a printer and let people order the kit directly from the printer.  Ordering wouldn't go through ReadyMoms at all. I'll try to see if/how this can be done; I should be able to research week after next.

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thanks!
sounds good to me!  ;-)



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


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the other interesting piece
that is unrelated to printing, but just what I'm learning, is the issue of number of contributors.  Because charities by definition are supposed to serve the public interest, the IRS likes to see a consistent pattern of public participation, particularly (since they are irs!!!) in relation to revenue.  

For example, except for government grants, it is generally better to have contributions from a wider base, which shows genuine interest and reach by a wider audience.  This is to prevent bogus groups that really only serve a small group of people.  So if we receive $5000 in donations (I wish!!) it is better if this was from 20 or 50 different sources, with only a small number giving larger amounts, while the rest are say $20 or $10 or $100 amounts from different people, than if we have 1 or 2 big donors giving the large checks and very little of anything else!

So much to learn, but it's all very interesting!  ;-D



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


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ah, that's easy then:
all i have to do is donate small amounts from my 1000 or so fat [insert "offshore island banks" here] accounts! LOL

Seriously, why is it "better"?  I mean, is there a problem in receiving 5000 from 1 donor and 5's from a thousand?  Is it "better" to receive 10's from a thousand (don't nitpick with rounding)?  Just interested, not that I'll have more money either way! :-)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.


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it's an important question
the IRS wants to make sure that it isn't a tax write-off scam.  Because the donation is tax-deductible for the donor.  One can in theory set up charities, and 'donate' money to it and get the tax write off, and then the money can be used, well, for all sorts of purposes.  

Wanting to see a wider support base convinces the IRS that it is a real charity that is doing work for the community, and frankly it just creates a lot of hassle if one is really trying to get tax write-offs!!

That is as far as I understand.  Still learning...



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...


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Would it be more convincing with pictures?
You've been to events.  We have the evidence here!  You're not sitting in a beach chair on Barbados or someplace.  lol.

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

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I had to think about what you meant! ;-)
I think they look at everything.  Anyway, this is still all at the 'feasibility study' phase.  We are not sure we have the capability to deal with being a 501c3 organization...



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