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Bread

by: bgw in MT

Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 18:07:32 PM EST


I am starting this diary about making bread because it's something everyone needs to know how to do, unless they can take bread or leave it alone. There will be no popping out to the grocery store for another loaf of bread during a pandemic.
bgw in MT :: Bread
I used to make all our own bread by hand when we were first  married. That would be 45 and a half years ago....the dark ages, indeed. I always mixed in a dishpan because I made a whole weeks worth at once. This worked for me just fine, but eventually the second baby came, and, guess what, no time to make such little niceties as homemade bread. My husband did love it, though and I hated to stop for his sake...but I did.

When I became concerned about the pandemic, I decided I needed to make bread again. I wanted to buy 50 lb sacks so that I would have a large supply on hand. I found that flour was certainly cheaper this way and that loaves of bread were radically cheaper than the bread in the store. Plus, it tasted sooooo much better (unless you were buying the $3.50 loaves).

I got a bread machine and started baking. My first bread machine was inherited from my mother. I got the booklet for it on the web. It only made 1lb loaves, and my guys could eat more than one pound of bread a day, so I started eyeing the machines that made a 2# loaf.

I researched opinions on bread machines on the web, comparing reviews and prices. I finally decided on the 2# Sunbeam breadmaker. I got it at Walmart for $39.95. This was a fantastic deal for what this machine will do.

I LOVE it!!! (Yes, that was an exuberant yell there.) My husband and son LOVE the bread!! I like it very much myself, but I am not as fond of bread as they are.

OK…Why do I love my bread machine so much?:

1. It was cheap. $39.95 for an appliance that will do the job this thing does is phenomenal to me.

2. It’s so easy. Put the carefully measured ingredients in, in the  right order, select the cycle, crust darkness desired,  loaf size, and press start. That’s it. That’s all. Easy. (If you put in the right carefully measured ingredients, that is. J Also, don’t forget to put the dough paddle in first. Yes, I’ve done that. Believe me, it doesn’t work.

3. It has 12 cycles: basic, French, whole wheat, quick, sweet, Express Bake, 1.5 lb, Express Bake 2 lb, dough, jam, cake, sandwich, and bake.  I’ve never figured out how the sandwich bread cycle is supposed to be different.  You are supposed to be able to make jam and cake in it. I haven’t figured out why you would ever want to do that unless your stove is on the fritz.

4. It has a timer and is programmable. You can wake up to the smell of freshly baked bread. Yum! (Haven’t done it yet, but I could 5. It does a really good job.

When I looked up reviews for the machine I found that a couple of people were not pleased with the machine. Later reviews revealed that you may not want to follow the recipes in the manufacturer's book.They say that they call for too much yeast. I don't know whether the booklet has been changed since they gave this advice or not. I just haven't used the recipes in the book. I use one that I used with my old bread machine.

You would want to put the ingredients in, in the order that the machine's book suggests. Different machines have different recommendations in this regard, and I suppose that must have to do with the mixing action each machine uses. The reviewers have said that you can use any other bread machine recipe. I wonder if perhaps they didn't make the mistake of using the express bread recipe with a different cycle, since that might cause the results they mention. I haven't compared the recipes in the booklet with other recipes myself.

I want to make it clear that I am not "dissing" any other manufacturers breadmaker. This was just the cheapest 2# loaf machine that I found, and I am very happy with it's performance.

to be continued ...

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BGW -
Thank you for starting this.  I don't have a bread machine but am hoping Santa will bring me one.  I would also love to learn how to make from scratch also.  Any helpful hints out there?  some of you seem to be great bakers!  I'm clueless.

BTW - I didn't even know they came in 2# sizes!  My kids could definitely hoover a 1# in no time! 


Dough
If you manage to score a bread machine from Santa and find one loaf isn't enough, just use the dough setting and use the machine for the kneeding and do the final rise and baking in your regular oven.  (I use my oven for the final rise as my house temp is too cold for proper loft.)  This cuts the time in about half that the bread machine is in use and the kneeding is the labor and time intensive part.
I use the same recipe if I do by hand or the machine, but I live by myself and if I make more than 1 loaf at a time, I end up with moldy bread.  I have a good oatmeal bread and a half wheat that's pretty good if anyone is interested.

[ Parent ]
Of course we are interested.
All recipes are welcome and also any hints or tips you might be willing to share.

[ Parent ]
Half Wheat
Remember, this is in use today (and I used it today) and isn't fully translated to SIP ingredients (okay, I use real butter)

1 + Cup Warm Water (I use a glass measuring cup and the water is above the 1 cup line but below the 1.25 cup line, I know, imperfect measurements, but at least I'm not telling you to pour for a count of 5 like my mom would)

1.5 Cups Whole Wheat Flour

1.5 Cups Bread Flour

.33 Cup Wheat Bran (can be eliminated, but it increases the fiber content and gives a speckled appearance to the bread)

2 Tablespoons Sugar

3 Tablespoons Dry or Powdered Milk (I use what I have open)

1 Tablespoon Wheat Gluten (Can be skipped if you use high gluten bread flour or run your bread machine on the wheat cycle)

1 teaspoon Salt

2 teaspoons Yeast

2 Tablespoons Butter, cut into four pieces (or margarine, but I prefer the taste of butter)

If your machine came with a book, add the ingredients according to the machines directions, if not, the above is how I add them to mine.

To make by hand, pour the water in a bowl and the yeast and sugar, when it begins to foam, add the rest of the ingredients (making sure to melt the butter and have it at about the same temp as the water.  The dough will be sticky, flour a worksurface and your hands and turn the dough out onto it.  Knead the dough for 5 to 10 minutes (use the longer time if you didn't use the wheat gluten).  Let it rest in a greased bowl in a warm spot for 45 mintues to an hour, until it has doubled in size (longer if you did not use the wheat gluten).  Again, with floured worksurface and hands, knead for 5 to 10 minutes.  Put the dough in a greased bread pan and let it rise til doubled.  Bake for 50 to 60 minutes in a 350 degree oven or until the crust is brown and the loaf sounds hollow when tapped.

It's been a long time since I tried to type out something I do without thinking, so I think I got this right, but let me know if I forgot anything.


[ Parent ]
I think a bread machine is a good way to learn to make bread from scratch.
Especially if you use the dough cycle to make rolls a few times. When you use this cycle, you would get used to handling the dough, and you will learn how it is supposed to feel. I would read a few "from scratch" recipes first just to get a general idea of the procedure, and then kind of think about it when shaping the rolls.

Really, following a scratch bread recipe is not at all hard. You are probably more assured of successful results than you are in a machine, because you can add more flour as needed when you are kneading the dough. Scratch bread-making, when you become more experienced, quickly becomes a "by guess and by gob" procedure.Since it's been forty years, I'd have to relearn the recipe, but I think I could remember the "feel" of the dough.

Why use a breadmachine, then? Well, it's quicker, easier, and less messy. You DO have to measure carefully. It has become a thing I can do in just a couple of minutes, because I have learned to make my own mix, a dozen or so at a time. This makes it very, very simple and doesn't leave the kitchen in any kind of a mess at the end. Just right for a really busy person.


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Bread making by hand
Hi bgw----
I've made much bread using bread machines over the years.
But, IMO we like bread made by hand much better. It is more work but when the grid goes down, then that will be the only way to do it. I've tested making it by hand and then baking it in a solar cooker and it turned out good. And boy was I surprised! You do have to watch it until you know how long it will take in a solar thing.
I intend to store it (if any is left over) in a tin cookie box as it won't harden as fast if left out.

Having said all that; I am interested in the Sunbeam maker. Does it make bread in a loaf style or what I call a uprite can style? What can you do with the Sunbeam that you couldn't do with the old style makers?


RE: Sunbeam breadmaker
Sunbeam's own website lists only one breadmaker ... one that makes a 2-pound loaf.

http://www.sunbeam.c...

Features
  * 2.0 lb Loaf
  * 13-hour Delay Bake
  * 12 Cooking Functions
  * ExpressBake® Breadmaker Cycle Bakes in under 1 hour
  * LED Display
  * Easy-Clean Touch Control Panel
  * Non-Stick, Removable Baking Pan
  * Instruction Book With Bread Recipes


[ Parent ]
Style of loaf
It makes the loaf in an upright style. If you cut it in half the right way you can get a pretty good sandwich size.

We use our electric carving knife to cut it. It's always plugged in and on the cabinet, but then we don't have any small children around. I keep the loaf on a plate with a large bowl turned over on it, in order to keep it fresh and away from any flies that might appear. Haven't had any flies lately, but in summer, they do appear. If you've got horses, you've got flies.

I'm adding more information about the bread machine gradually in my primary diary entry.


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Say more about results in solar cooker
What solar cooker did you use, and what were the results?

[ Parent ]
recipe (sort of)
Here's how I make my regular bread, DH eats a lot of it (a loaf a day as often as not, when he's working hard).  No measurements, sorry.

In a large stainless steel bowl, I put about 1 1/2 c. one minute oatmeal, 2 t. brown sugar (heaping, and if I'm making cinnamon bread - well, that's a different recipe), 2T butter, 3 t. salt (heaping), and 1 1/2 qt. boiling water.  (Not sure about the water, since I don't measure it, maybe more like 2 qt.) 

Let it sit until just warm, then add about 3 c. white flour mixed carefully with 1 c. gluten flour (you can use less gluten flour, it helps it be springy and non-crumbly) (called "vital wheat gluten" sometimes) and 3 T yeast.  I get yeast in bulk since it's way cheaper than the little packets.  I mix these flours and yeast in a bowl first with a whisk, then dump into the water/oats, and stir.  If I feel like it, I also add a cup or so of powdered milk.  Stir a while, then let it rise.

Then add as much whole wheat flour as it'll take and still be soft, and knead for a while.  Then add a little warm water to the bowl so it's wet, dump in the dough and toss it around so it gets a little wet, that way it won't dry out.  Rise again with a lid on it.

When risen twice its bulk, toss out on a floured counter and knead a few times, let it sit a few mintues, then shape.  I usually use big square cake pans and make two loaves in each, they cook faster than regular bread pans.  I cook at about 375, sometimes turn it down half way through.  Usually makes about 6 loaves.

When they're done I cover with a clean dish towel, sometimes put butter on the crust.  When totally cool, I put in plastic bags.  (I buy plastic bags by the roll from the produce man at the grocery store.)  Only in the summer have I ever had any bread mold.  I also give bread to the cats, they love it.

I use all organic flour, the flour quality makes a big difference.  I just bought a bag of wheat berries to soak and sprout a little, grind up and add.  An experiment, never did it before. 


kneading
Years ago, when I was young, I made all my own bread. Living in the Boonies will do that to a person. And, I found that there nothing like kneading a batch of bread dough to work off any anger or anxiety that I had.Just pound that dough, and feel better.
  These days I have a fancy dancey bread machine. In part because I was never one to measure stuff, and can`t quite get handmade numbers down to 1 loaf. And, I sure don`t need tons of bread sitting around just begging to be eaten.
  But, I figure that once the grid goes down I`ll figure out how to do loaf by hand, and that will help with my stress level.

There is no pleasure in having nothing to do; the fun is in having lots to do and not doing it." -Mary Wilson Little

simple recipe
Here is a link to the simplest white bread that can be made in a bread maker:

http://www.kingarthu...

I have found that 1/2 packet of Red Star yeast makes a perfect loaf so I don't measure the yeast anymore.  You can substitute 2 tbsp vegetable oil for the butter or margarine, or use shortening.  I have also substituted margarine powder and left out the non-fat dry milk.

How important is bread to me?  I have supplies to keep making it long after everything else will be depleted.

If I had done this on my own, I would have done most of it incorrectly.


Hail King Arthur!

The King Arthur Web site has sooo many awesome recipes on it! The oatmeal toaster bread is ultra-simple and can be made by hand or in a machine.

If you folks have not checked it out, you should.




[ Parent ]
Have You All Heard of the No-Knead 18 hour rise Bread
Read this article by Mark Bittman (columnist, The Minimalist, in the NYTimes.

The bread is fantastic, SOOOOOO easy, delicious, yummy AND you make it with 1/4 the yeast for regular bread.  (you use time instead of yeast.)  Almost foolproof!

http://select.nytime...

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


RE: No-Knead bread
ACM, can you post the essential parts of the story here? The New York Times registration process (although registration itself is "free") requires submission of credit card info, just in case the registrant wants to buy something. That is unacceptable, so I won't register.
Thanks,

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It looks interesting
and Mark Bittman is a great cook, so he'd be picky.  The bread recipe was offered to Mr. Bittman by Jim Lahey, the owner of Sullivan Street Bakery at 533 West 47th Street in Manhattan.

[snip]

Mr. Lahey's method is striking on several levels. It requires no kneading. (Repeat: none.) It uses no special ingredients, equipment or techniques. It takes very little effort.

It accomplishes all of this by combining a number of unusual though not unheard of features. Most notable is that you'll need about 24 hours to create a loaf; time does almost all the work. Mr. Lahey's dough uses very little yeast, a quarter teaspoon (you almost never see a recipe with less than a teaspoon), and he compensates for this tiny amount by fermenting the dough very slowly. He mixes a very wet dough, about 42 percent water, which is at the extreme high end of the range that professional bakers use to create crisp crust and large, well-structured crumb, both of which are evident in this loaf.

The dough is so sticky that you couldn't knead it if you wanted to. It is mixed in less than a minute, then sits in a covered bowl, undisturbed, for about 18 hours. It is then turned out onto a board for 15 minutes, quickly shaped (I mean in 30 seconds), and allowed to rise again, for a couple of hours. Then it's baked. That's it. [snip]

No-Knead Bread

Adapted from Jim Lahey, Sullivan Street Bakery
Time: About 1 1/2 hours plus 14 to 20 hours' rising

3 cups all-purpose or bread flour, more for dusting
1/4 teaspoon instant yeast
1 1/4 teaspoons salt
Cornmeal or wheat bran as needed.

1. In a large bowl combine flour, yeast and salt. Add 1 5/8 cups water, and stir until blended; dough will be shaggy and sticky. Cover bowl with plastic wrap. Let dough rest at least 12 hours, preferably about 18, at warm room temperature, about 70 degrees.

2. Dough is ready when its surface is dotted with bubbles. Lightly flour a work surface and place dough on it; sprinkle it with a little more flour and fold it over on itself once or twice. Cover loosely with plastic wrap and let rest about 15 minutes.

3. Using just enough flour to keep dough from sticking to work surface or to your fingers, gently and quickly shape dough into a ball. Generously coat a cotton towel (not terry cloth) with flour, wheat bran or cornmeal; put dough seam side down on towel and dust with more flour, bran or cornmeal. Cover with another cotton towel and let rise for about 2 hours. When it is ready, dough will be more than double in size and will not readily spring back when poked with a finger.

4. At least a half-hour before dough is ready, heat oven to 450 degrees. Put a 6- to 8-quart heavy covered pot (cast iron, enamel, Pyrex or ceramic) in oven as it heats. When dough is ready, carefully remove pot from oven. Slide your hand under towel and turn dough over into pot, seam side up; it may look like a mess, but that is O.K. Shake pan once or twice if dough is unevenly distributed; it will straighten out as it bakes. Cover with lid and bake 30 minutes, then remove lid and bake another 15 to 30 minutes, until loaf is beautifully browned. Cool on a rack.

Yield: One 1 1/2-pound loaf.


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OMG PIXIE!
I just made this bread and it is awesome!  This is the kind of bread that you can only buy in the bakery shops and I made it myself here at home!

The crust is chewy and cruchy.  Nice big textured crumb.  VERY EASY to make.

I tripled the recipe. (we are expecting company for dinner) and was hesitant to do that, but it worked wonderfully.  Since I could only fit 2 loaves at a time in my oven, the other loaf sat on the counter an additional half hour and was fine.  I used cast iron and I had a ceramic dutch oven and used that.

Thanks so much for posting this!


[ Parent ]
Pixie posted it but I can send you more if you want!
Dennis in Colorado -- no way would I have given my credit card for access to the article, so I don;t know how that happened.

Anyhow, Pixie posted the recipe and some of the details.  Bittman printed an update i his column today about this bread -- it has inspired countless amateur breadbakers across the land, there are blogs dedicated to this recipe, etc.  It truly makes a great and easy bread.  I'd call it a "crusty boule" with a crust I've never been able to get before.  (You cook it inside a pot with a ld -- I use a roasting pan, like you'd roast a chicken in.  My mom uses a cast-iron casserole dish.  It all works.)

Most things that are too good to be true -- turn out to be not worthwhile.  I think this recipe is an exception!  The "tough" thing is knowing 24 hours in advance that you will want bread the next day.

What I do is, after dinner, I mix the ingredients by about 7 PM at the latest.  (No kneading --a 5 year old could do it, and does in my house.)  That means any time after 1 PM it will be ready for the "folding" -- you fold it over about 2 times -- this is nothing like kneading -- and the second rise.  That means it can go in the oven by about 3 PM - or any time thereafter.

I admit it would be a bit tricky for those who work out of the home though.  Maybe it could be a weekend bread.  But seriously, here in the city, we easily pay $3.50 and up for a loaf of this crusty boule!  (Hope I'm not overselling it -- it is easy to go crazy over this bread!)


GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


[ Parent ]
It is a VERY wet dough -- be prepared for that n/t


GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.

[ Parent ]
Thanks to both of you
I appreciate the extra info and the recipe.

[ Parent ]
Big Thanks!
To Average Concerned Mom and Pixie - this looks like a great recipe and I can't wait to try it out.

I found a blog with lots of 'tips & tricks' and links galore all built around this recipe. ;-)

http://kitchen.apart...


[ Parent ]
thanks from me too
I have been experimenting with this bread since you first posted it. I love it!  I tried it with 1/3 and later 1/2 whole wheat flour and it still turns out fabulous.  Anyone try any other variations? (not that it needs anything more).  It is great.  I make a loaf each weekend.  Thanks for posting.  sam

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Overnight Bread
I thought I had the recipe for the 18 hour bread on my laptop, but haven't been able to find it there yet, even with a search. I, too, got the credit card message this time from the NY Times. I'm searching on the web right now and have only found someone's remembrance of the recipe and method. The web is big and I sure it shall appear somewhere. Meanwhile:

http://www.chowhound...

The following two recipes are from this site:
http://preview.tinyu...

I'm including the first recipe because it has a lot of tips on making a weeks worth of bread the regular way. This lady used a dishpan, too (at least at first). She used the one she washed her dishes in, by sterilizing it first. I just had a dishpan that I used only for bread. Way lots easier for me. But I guess...if you're a real minimalist... Here are the two recipes so far:

Family Bread
click here for old-fashioned, overnight, low yeast method

  *

  4 cups warm tap water (not hot)
  * 2/3 cup non-fat dry milk powder (instant powdered milk)
  * 1/3 cup sugar or 1/4 cup honey
  * 2 packets or 4 teaspoons dry yeast
  * 1 tablespoon salt
  * 1/3 cup melted margarine or oil
  * 12 cups (approximately) white or whole wheat flour or a combination

The first thing you need is a big bowl or clean dish pan to mix this up in.  I use a huge metal bowl that is made of stainless steel.  But I used to use the same plastic dish tub I washed the dishes in.  I would wash it with a little bit of bleach, rinse it really well, and then dry it completely.  In some ways it worked better because it fit on my lap more conveniently due to the rectangular shape.  But the shiny stainless steel one does look more like I know what I'm doing.  So much for appearances.

So anyway mix the water, dry milk powder and sugar in the dishpan or bowl.  Add the yeast, sort of sprinkled on top.  Allow the mixture to sit until the yeast dissolves some, this will only take a couple of minutes.  Add the salt, margarine or oil, and flour.  Mix with a wooden spoon until it gets too stiff and then dig in with your hands.  When the dough is in a nice cohesive ball, turn it out onto a floured kitchen table or counter.  Or if you are using a dish pan, you can just leave it in there.

Now start kneading the dough with all of the love you have for your family.  Press the dough and send big love vibes into it.  Stretch the dough and impress all of your compassion and generosity into it.  Remember why you love your kids, and your spouse and your mom or you dad, and just put it all into the dough.  Knead it like this for a full ten minutes.  Add more flour if you need to as you go along.

Coat the dough with oil, about 2 tablespoons of it, and put it into the bowl or dishpan.  Cover it with a towel or plastic wrap and let it set in a warm place to rise for about an hour or so.  It should double in bulk.  It may take up to two hours on cool days, or in the air conditioning, so be patient.

Punch down the dough by literally pressing your fist into the center of it.  Divide the dough into 4 equal lumps.  Coax them into loaf shapes and place them into large (9 by 5-inch) well oiled loaf pans.  If you don't have enough loaf pans, use casserole pans or cake pans, or whatever.  Cover the dough with a cloth or more plastic wrap and let it rise again.  It should take less time for the second rising.  When the dough is risen up enough, bake the loaves at 350° for 40 minutes.

You can tell the dough is done if you turn it out of the pan and thump the bottom with your finger.  It should make a dull hollow sound.  If it doesn't sound hollow, put it back into the pan and cook it some more.  Makes four loaves.

Old-Fashioned Low-Yeast Bread:

This variation is similar to sourdough bread and it has 2 benefits.  The first is economical. You only need a single packet of yeast to make 4 loaves of bread.  The second is that the work can be done the day before and finished when you have more time the next day.  The process is simple.

Reduce the yeast to 1 packet, or approximately 2-1/4 teaspoons of active dry yeast.  Mix and knead the dough as directed.  When you tuck it away to rise, put it in a spot that is safe from nocturnal critters (like in the oven or the drier) and let it sit for 12 to 18 hours.  The yeast has to have a long time to work because there isn't much of it in there.  As it sits in the dough, it will reproduce itself and gradually raise the entire batch of dough.  Do not refrigerate it during this time; let it sit at room temperature.

The next day check your dough to see how it's doing.  If it has doubled in bulk, then you can punch it down and shape it into loaves.  If it hasn't doubled yet then let it sit a while longer.

Don't worry about the dough.  Don't worry about it going bad, or getting contaminated or anything like that.  Remember, our foremothers always made their dough this way and they produced healthy, hearty offspring that could withstand all sorts of trouble.  Eating this kind of bread didn't make anyone sick back then when their sanitary methods were questionable at best and it won't hurt you or your crew either.

After the dough has doubled, you can proceed with the recipe as written.  The second rise may take 2 or 3 hours, or it may take less than that.  Bake the bread like you normally do.  When it's done you'll notice that the texture may seem a tiny bit chewier than usual, but for the most part it will be perfectly normal bread. 

....
I think the more descriptions you read of how to make bread the more confident you'll feel in trying it. As you can see, there are many different ways of "right".


I searched too long...
Looks like Pixie beat me to it. :)

it was easy
Around here, everybody's got the standard issue subscription to the NY Times! 

[ Parent ]
bread with no oven
Here is a site that describes how to make bread with no oven.

http://www.preparedp...

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.


More ovenless bread
Don't forget bread can also be baked on a grill in those large Dinty Moore cans with the lids pushed closed -- the recipe is back on the old forum under "Can-do Bread."

[ Parent ]
Thanks, Lakeman
That's a good reference page. We will learn to function without our stoves, won't we.

[ Parent ]
Yeast
For those who didn't know... you can buy 2 1lb bags of yeast at Sam's for about $4.00.
I keep mine in the freezer and just take out what I need for a loaf of bread and let it warm up to room temps before I use it.

yeast and expiration dates
For what it is worth -- the expiration date on my yeast is 2 years ago and it still seems to work!  I do keep it in the fridge though.

I wonder what it would be like to cook with "fresh yeast" -- maybe my loaves would be twice as high?  (-:

GetPandemicReady.org - non commerical website with practical ways for families to prepare.


[ Parent ]
Daily bread for one or two
Currently, with only my daughter and me at home, I am trying to learn to bake daily bread for one or two.  Regular-sized loaves go to waste at our house.  My strategy is to adapt recipes provided for my West Bend Just-For-Dinner Breadmaker. The recipes for this machine use a whole packet of yeast for one little loaf in order to produce bread in 45 minutes, but the resulting bread tastes far too yeasty as far as I'm concerned, and I want to learn to make bread by hand anyway.

This adapted recipe results in a wet sticky dough and yummy soft bread. 

1/2 cup water, 80-90 degrees F
1 1/2 tablespoons of olive or vegetable oil
1 1/4 cups bread flour, measured carefully
2 teaspoons - 1 tablespoon of sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon of fast-rising yeast

I knead the dough (sort of - it's very wet), let it rise in the oven with a pan of hot water underneath for an hour or so, flour my hands and shape the dough into a little loaf, let it rise again for a half hour or so, and then bake it.  Since I don't have a small loaf pan, I end up with a little round loaf, much wider than tall, or a French bread-style loaf. 

I'm a beginner at breadmaking, but this experiment was successful, taste-wise, so I thought I'd share, with the caveat that experienced breadmakers could probably provide invaluable tips as to improvements. Over the Christmas holidays, I'll begin to experiment with grinding my own flour and baking bread with that. 


bread with no yeast
At this site I saw a recipe for making your own sour dough starter.

http://www.io.com/~s...

I started a batch on Wednesday (today is Sunday). Something is definitely happening. In all probability the recipe works just fine.

It does take a few days before you can make any bread but the starter can be kept going indefinitely. With store bought yeast you can't perpetuate the culture but must start with the  store bought variety each time.

I figure rather that storing a lot of yeast I'll wait until I need it then make sour dough bread. Until the starter is ready quick-breads and pancakes taste good too.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.


perfect
Thank you, I've been looking for a long time for recipes like these and here they are. This is great!!!

Survival Bread Recipe
SURVIVAL BREAD

2 cups oats
2 1/2 cups powdered milk
1 cup sugar
3 tbs honey
1 pkg orange or lemon jell-o (3 oz)
3 tbs water

Combine oats, powdered milk and sugar.  In a medium pan mix water, jell-o and honey.  Bring to boil.  Add dry ingredients.  Mix well.  (If the dough is too dry, add a small amount of water a teaspoon at a time) Shape dough into a loaf.  (About the size of a brick)  Place on cookie sheet and bake at 350 degrees for 15- 20 minutes.  Cool.  Wrap in aluminum foil to store.  This bread will keep indefinitely.


about flour-
try grinding your own, fresh, just before you mix the dough.

You will be amazed at how much more flavorful the bread is.  It's like someone turned your tastebuds full on.

KEEP THE GRID UP!
Prudent People Prepare Properly

"better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it!"


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